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[liberationtech] Silicon Sweatshops (fwd)

James Davis davis at
Tue Dec 1 01:10:28 PST 2009

In my opinion this article makes a mistake that I have seen in many 
similar articles. It associates "lack of freedom" with "work I wouldn't 
want to do". I think its important to distinguish between when people 
are enslaved without choice, or when they *choose* to work at what we 
would consider a poor job. I do not dispute the reality of forced labor, 
and I am against it, but I am in favor of letting people *choose* lousy 
jobs, since presumably they aren't stupid and their alternatives are worse.

In particular this article mentions wages below $1/hr, however in many 
parts of the world thats a great wage and not to be complained about. It 
also mentions mandatory 80 hr weeks, but half my engineer friends in the 
valley, and many lawyers, work mandatory 80 hr weeks. I imagine people 
in China do this for the same reason as people in silicon valley, higher 
pay and perceived career advancement. I am similarly not all that 
concerned about 'fire without warning' since every employer I have ever 
had, including the state of CA, has insisted on 'at will' employment.

My point is not that we shouldn't try to improve labor conditions. 
Clearly we should. And I am well aware of the differences between 
silicon valley professionals at the top of the food chain, and those at 
the bottom.  My point is that looking at people with jobs worse than 
yours and immediately thinking 'sweat shop' and 'bad' often obfuscates 
the real choices people have. China still has millions at $1/day with 
high mortality rates and insecure food (mostly farmers), but hundreds of 
millions less than they had 30 years ago, thanks mostly to those 
factories that pay $1/hr with questionable labor practices. I would far 
prefer it if articles like this chose actual labor abuses, rather than 
pointing to things that sound horrible to the average American, but 
which are in fact the norm for most of the world.

(I am not even close to a labor expert, if I'm all wrong I'd be happy to 
have my thinking corrected by someone who is.)


Todd Davies wrote:
> A list member has just pointed out to me that there is a project right 
> here at Stanford that addresses these issues exactly, which I am very 
> glad to know about:
> Todd
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Todd Davies wrote:
>> I really like the Liberation Technology list, but am sometimes struck 
>> by the irony of applying technology to liberate people in countries 
>> where the production of technology itself is creating human rights 
>> and environmental problems. So I wanted to share the article below, 
>> addressing the flipside of ICT for development and liberation. A 
>> comprehensive approach would certainly have to address this as well, 
>> and it seems to me there could be synergy between technology for 
>> liberation and the liberation of technology workers. - Todd
>> Silicon Sweatshops
>> Silicon Sweatshops
>> Sunday 22 November 2009
>> by: Jonathan Adams and Kathleen E. McLaughlin  |  The Global Post
>> (Image: Jared Rodriguez / t r u t h o u t; Adapted: marissaorton,
>> quapan)
>> Taipai, Taiwan ? Hourly wages below a dollar. Firings with no notice.
>> Indifferent bosses. Labor brokers that leech away months of a worker's
>> hard-earned wages. A corporate shell game that leaves no one
>> responsible.
>> Such conditions are widespread at the contract factories cranking out
>> some of the most popular gadgets on the holiday season?s gift lists,
>> according to labor rights activists and workers interviewed by
>> GlobalPost.
>> Whether it's your cherished iPhone, Nokia cell phone or Dell keyboard,
>> it was likely made and assembled in Asia by workers who have few
>> rights, and often toil under sweatshop-like conditions, activists say.
>> By the time a gadget reaches Apple's flagship store on Fifth Avenue in
>> New York City or any other U.S. retailer, it may have passed through
>> the hands of a heavily indebted Filipina migrant worker on the
>> graveyard shift in Taiwan, a Taiwanese "quality control" worker who'll
>> soon be fired without warning, and a young Chinese worker clocking 80-
>> hour weeks on a final assembly line, at less than a dollar an hour.
>> Recent years have seen a drumbeat of reports on such abuses. In 2006,
>> in an audit following a British media report, Apple found that workers
>> in a factory assembling iPods in China were working excessive overtime
>> hours.
>> Earlier this year, the Pittsburgh-based National Labor Committee, a
>> nonprofit human rights group, alleged that workers at a supplier to
>> Microsoft, Dell and other brands in Dongguan, China, were clocking
>> mandatory 81-hour weeks, on average. (Dell said in an email that a
>> "corrective action plan" has since been developed after a joint audit
>> of the firm with other customers. A Microsoft spokesperson said it was
>> investigating the supplier firm and would make any "necessary
>> improvements.")
>> Embarrassed companies have vowed to do better. They've drafted "codes
>> of conduct" for their Asian suppliers, and promised more factory
>> audits to catch abuses.
>> But here's the problem, say activists: While such codes may be great
>> public relations, they're not working to fix the problem. Worse, the
>> codes permit the big brands to pat themselves on the back, even as
>> workers continue to be exploited in the shadowy world of Asian
>> electronics supply chains.
>> "These codes of conduct and audits are new tools that every brand will
>> have, and they feel so proud of themselves," said Jenny Chan, a labor
>> rights activist formerly with Hong Kong labor rights group Students
>> and Scholars Against Corporate Misbehavior (SACOM). "But the codes
>> have limits. To see fundamental change, you have to get labor groups
>> involved and gain the trust of workers. Otherwise it's just a cat-and-
>> mouse game between auditors and suppliers."
>> The problem is compounded by a lack of transparency. Asian electronics
>> supply chains are notoriously murky. Contractors shift orders across
>> borders and between factories and subcontractors, and many major
>> brands treat their supplier list as top-secret information.
>> That makes it difficult to pin down who's making what for whom and,
>> therefore, difficult to fix blame when allegations of abuse come to
>> light. When a factory catches flak from labor rights groups and
>> negative media coverage, the big customers often cut orders or sever
>> business ties ? a surgical strategy that activists say fails to
>> address underlying, systemic problems in the industry.
>> Apple?s response: ?We take corrective actions when required?
>> Even by the industry's own assessment, its codes are routinely ignored.
>> In its latest annual report, the Electronic Industry Citizenship
>> Coalition (EICC) published results of joint audits in 2007 and 2008.
>> (EEIC members employ some 3.4 million workers. Members include Apple,
>> Dell and Hewlett-Packard.) It found rampant violations of its code of
>> conduct on working hours and wages and benefits.
>> Or take Apple's own findings. In its latest "supplier responsibility"
>> update, published in February 2009, Apple found that nearly 60 percent
>> of audited suppliers violated its code of conduct guidelines on work
>> hours and days off.
>> Other common violations included under-paying for overtime and
>> deducting salary as punishment. And Apple found a few factories that
>> falsified records, employed under-aged laborers and hired workers who
>> had paid recruitment fees exceeding the legal limit.
>> All of that raises a question: Why aren't the big brands being tougher
>> in enforcing their codes?
>> Apple insists it is doing a lot. "Our audits are done across all our
>> suppliers," said Apple spokesperson Jill Tan, in a phone interview.
>> "It's a pretty rigorous process, and we take corrective actions as and
>> when required. We audit aggressively, and post all results on our
>> website."
>> The company's code is a "dynamic document which we continually
>> update," Tan said, and audits are done both by Apple itself, and third-
>> party experts.
>> Asked how Apple responds to those who say it's hiding behind codes
>> that are ineffective in securing workers' basic rights, Tan said,
>> "It's not just a matter of posturing, we look into this very
>> meticulously. To me, we're pretty open. We don't see how we can
>> provide more information beyond what's already available."
>> "I'm not sure there are many manufacturers or vendors out there who
>> audit as aggressively as we do," said Tan. "I'm not sure there are
>> many out there who take this as seriously as we do. Have you come
>> across any other companies that provide this much detail in their
>> audits?"
>> (Apple declined GlobalPost?s request to go beyond the public relations
>> department and interview Bob Bainbridge, the firm's director of social
>> responsibility for suppliers.)
>> Dell also rejected the idea that industry codes aren't effective. "We
>> take exception to that," said spokesman David Frink. "Given the size
>> and breadth of the global supply chain, full implementation of these
>> important standards is a long-term effort to which Dell is fully
>> committed," the firm said in a later email.
>> Our investigation
>> In May, GlobalPost covered reports of labor abuses at just one Taiwan
>> electronics firm believed to supply Apple, Nokia and Motorola at its
>> factories in Taiwan and China. Since then, we?ve interviewed 12
>> current and former workers at this same company. We heard the
>> following new allegations:
>> For Taiwanese workers, routine violations of Apple and industry codes
>> of conduct on work hours, days off, overtime, worker complaint
>> mechanisms and the right to organize; For Chinese workers, violations
>> of a major electronic industry group's code of conduct on all of the
>> above, and allegations of under-aged labor; For Filipina migrant
>> workers, "placement fees" far in excess of Taiwan regulations, with
>> fees and deductions amounting to nearly a full year's salary ? a
>> "core" violation of Apple's code.
>> These allegations, which are documented throughout this series, are by
>> no means limited to this one supplier. Taiwan's labor broker system
>> applies to many Southeast Asians who come to work on the island. And
>> labor rights groups have done numerous studies of the scope of the
>> problem.
>> But the news is not all bleak.
>> In our reporting, we heard sincere commitments to deal with these
>> issues by frustrated executives who struggle with these complex
>> economic realities. We also learned of a groundbreaking project to
>> improve conditions at a Taiwan supplier for HP that appeared to have
>> excellent results. Though limited in scope, the project offers some
>> degree of hope that the big electronics brands can do more to fix the
>> problem.
>> This story included reporting from Dongguan, China.
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