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[liberationtech] query

Chris Palmer chris at
Thu Dec 2 10:29:21 PST 2010

Well, recall that my advice hinged on the assumption that the cloud
provider was not your threat actor. Maybe that's not looking like too
good an assumption these days. :) (For certain users, for certain
threats, for certain providers. And remember, yesterday's Amazon
excitement was not the first: When Google got popped, the Chinese went
straight for the Gmail of dissenters.)

One size does not fit all, as always.

No promises --- Conan the Barbarian himself would quail at my TODO list
--- but keep an eye on for updates, hopefully
coming Real Soon Now.

On 12/02/2010 03:18 AM, Adam Fisk wrote:

> I'd like to re-emphasize Chris's original answer to this thread -- use
> the cloud. To me, the likelihood of thousands of competent sysadmins
> appearing in organizations that are typically notorious for lacking
> tech expertise is low, despite everyone's best intentions. To
> accomplish this would also put a strain on the resources of
> organizations that typically don't have resources to spare.
> I'd strongly recommend using cloud solutions, and especially Google
> App Engine, as Chris recommended. In most cases it's much easier to
> deploy your sites to the cloud even outside of DDoS attacks. GAE is
> also free for the amount of traffic most of these sites get, not to
> mention the amount of money you'll save employing fewer programmers,
> and it saves immense amounts of time in areas such as not having to
> back up your database, not worrying about scalability, etc. Not
> worrying about DDoS attacks is just another reason among many. I'd
> also strongly recommend GAE over Amazon because it's much less work
> and requires even less expertise to handle something like a DDoS
> attack. You still have to know what you're doing on that front with
> Amazon. With GAE you don't.

Chris Palmer
Technology Director, Electronic Frontier Foundation

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