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[liberationtech] dumb question

Daniel Colascione dan.colascione at
Wed Sep 15 00:06:53 PDT 2010

Hi, Adam. I appreciate your nuanced post. You are right: there is plenty
of room for other tools in the gap between Tor and a bare proxy. Every
solution involves certain trade-offs, and not everyone prefers the
trade-offs made by Tor.

By the way, I noticed certain misunderstandings in your post. I hope you
don't mind my correcting them.

On 9/14/10 11:30 PM, Adam Fisk wrote:
> The key is not to confuse the two. Haystack is such a disaster because
> it purported to be an anonymity tool

The CRC made many hyperbolic claims, but in the interest of historical
accuracy, we didn't make this one. From the Haystack FAQ,

"Tor focuses on using onion routing to ensure that a user's
communications cannot be traced back...Haystack focuses on being
unblockable and innocuous while simultaneously protecting the privacy of
our users. We do not employ onion routing, though our proxy system does
provide a limited form of the same benefit."

> but really was just a
> semi-functional circumvention tool.

I assume you're talking about the broken test program that was released.
If so, I urge you not to perpetuate this myth. Haystack was never
completed. The program that was released was never meant to be Haystack.

Daniel Colascione

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