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[liberationtech] Fw: [progressiveexchange] Facebook interfering with activism Pages

Jen Savage savagejen at gmail.com
Tue Sep 21 09:58:27 PDT 2010


Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Top-down administrative control lends itself to that.

I guess you could do p2p social networking, but there could be speed issues.
Federated servers like with jabber would work best. Then have a bunch of
servers that keep track of "twitter"/"<insert social networking service
here>" servers that you can submit to, much like submitting your key to a
public key server.

But ultimately, if it takes any amount of work for a user to configure, it
won't catch on.

-Jen
p.s. I'm not attacking the idea of corporate control by saying this, but I
do think corporations need competition to keep them honest.


On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Jim Youll <jyoull at alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> I think it's not "corporate structure" at issue. I think we would do well
> to stay away from attacks on the "nature of corporations" and so on. These
> arguments tend to paint with a very broad brush. Truth is, every business is
> different, run by different people, afraid of different things. Corporations
> can be very predictable, yes, but individually predictable, not as a class.
>
> Also, the corpo-bash thing tends to not be listened to because it's been so
> over-used.
>
> It's not corporations we are against, it's censorship.
>
> Top-down administrative control has historically been the most efficient
> (least code, fewest never-before-solved issues) way of dealing with what
> most would agree /are/ flagrant abuses of a communication space.. what do
> you do about a "Yosem Companys is a serial axe murderer" page, trademark
> infringement (let's say true infringement), or other instances of difficult,
> illegal or threatening material? Facebook owns the database and can just
> "fix" it.
>
> I worked on a draft and demo project a few years ago in which we modeled a
> self-moderation public forum in which the system (not a person, but code)
> was responsive to the collective actions of the users in accepting/rejecting
> topics for discussion, discussion content, and users themselves.. but then
> you can get into a "tyranny of the majority" situation, so we also had a way
> for the least popular views to be seen or at least found... turtles all the
> way down...
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Yosem Companys wrote:
>
> This is why we need peer to peer solutions like Diaspora to provide a
> platform for activists.  Otherwise the corporate structure of these tech
> firms can always interfere in one way or another to direct activity.
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Jillian C. York <jilliancyork at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi - Jillian York here (have been lurking for a couple of weeks).  I was
>> interviewed for that article and would like to add this just-released paper
>> I wrote on the same subject: http://bit.ly/8ZN8PH
>>
>> The paper ("Policing Content in the Quasi-Public Sphere") looks at the
>> content regulation policies of 5 social media platforms--Twitter, Flickr,
>> Blogger, Facebook, and YouTube.  I won't give away the ending ;)
>>
>> -Jillian
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Katrin Verclas <katrinverclas at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Thoughts, colleagues!
>>>
>>> ------Original Message------
>>> From: Colin Delany
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>>> Activists upset with Facebook
>>> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/42364.html
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