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[liberationtech] Fw: [progressiveexchange] Facebook interfering with activism Pages

Lauren Gelman gelman at stanford.edu
Tue Sep 21 10:52:02 PDT 2010


Yes. substantive rules have to include network neutrality, open  
spectrum, etc.

On Sep 21, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Jim Youll wrote:

> There is a problem with the market approach:
>
> 	The Diaspora market exists inside another market, the ISP market,  
> which is again contained within corporations with self-interest and  
> top-down control structures.
>
> It's still turtles all the way down. There is no escape from that in  
> the current network structure. There used to be, when the Internet  
> was really "hands-off" and content-agnostic. But 1995 was a long  
> time ago.
>
> Everything at the Application layer and up is subject to control by  
> the layers below, and these layers are out of the hands of  
> application distributors. ISPs can cut off spammers who originate  
> non-locally-damaging traffic to meet the policy objectives or good- 
> neighbor requests of peers. This power exists and can't be overcome.  
> Worse, sometimes "we" good-hearted, well-meaning people /like it/  
> when traffic is choked off somewhere in the stack because it's not  
> traffic we want.
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2010, at 9:58 AM, Lauren Gelman wrote:
>
>>
>> ahh. The question that launched a thousand debates.  There is  
>> *never* a quick answer to this question (i.e., does freedom in iraq  
>> mean free speech or free elections?) For your question, I believe  
>> in the former (substantive requirements) but their are many firmly  
>> in the latter (procedural equality) camp. I'd prefer to see  
>> affirmative privacy protecting features in Diaspora but they are  
>> banking instead on the "market" approach-- that as long as users  
>> can take their data elsewhere, activists will be able to create/ 
>> find a provider that meets their needs. Time will tell.
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2010, at 9:44 AM, Mary Joyce wrote:
>>
>>> Would it be appropriate to create a list of policy recommendations/ 
>>> standards for social media platforms that host political content  
>>> or is it as simple as "ToS should be applied equally to all users"?
>>>
>>> Mary
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Yosem Companys <companys at stanford.edu 
>>> > wrote:
>>> This is why we need peer to peer solutions like Diaspora to  
>>> provide a platform for activists.  Otherwise the corporate  
>>> structure of these tech firms can always interfere in one way or  
>>> another to direct activity.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Jillian C. York <jilliancyork at gmail.com 
>>> > wrote:
>>> Hi - Jillian York here (have been lurking for a couple of weeks).   
>>> I was interviewed for that article and would like to add this just- 
>>> released paper I wrote on the same subject: http://bit.ly/8ZN8PH
>>>
>>> The paper ("Policing Content in the Quasi-Public Sphere") looks at  
>>> the content regulation policies of 5 social media platforms-- 
>>> Twitter, Flickr, Blogger, Facebook, and YouTube.  I won't give  
>>> away the ending ;)
>>>
>>> -Jillian
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Katrin Verclas <katrinverclas at gmail.com 
>>> > wrote:
>>> Thoughts, colleagues!
>>>
>>> ------Original Message------
>>> From: Colin Delany
>>> Sender: Progressive Exchange
>>> To: Progressive Exchange
>>> ReplyTo: Colin Delany
>>> Subject: [progressiveexchange] Facebook interfering with activism  
>>> Pages
>>> Sent: Sep 20, 2010 3:34 PM
>>>
>>> Activists upset with Facebook
>>> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/42364.html
>>>
>>> Claims they've violated terms of service.  Discuss.
>>>
>>>
>>> --cpd
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