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[liberationtech] Fw: [progressiveexchange] Facebook interfering with activism Pages

katmagic the.magical.kat at gmail.com
Sat Sep 25 17:54:25 PDT 2010


On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:14:57 -0700
Jim Youll <jyoull at alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> There is a problem with the market approach:
> 
> 	The Diaspora market exists inside another market, the ISP
> market, which is again contained within corporations with
> self-interest and top-down control structures.
> 
> It's still turtles all the way down. There is no escape from that in
> the current network structure. There used to be, when the Internet
> was really "hands-off" and content-agnostic. But 1995 was a long time
> ago. 
> 
> Everything at the Application layer and up is subject to control by
> the layers below, and these layers are out of the hands of
> application distributors. ISPs can cut off spammers who originate
> non-locally-damaging traffic to meet the policy objectives or
> good-neighbor requests of peers. This power exists and can't be
> overcome. Worse, sometimes "we" good-hearted, well-meaning
> people /like it/ when traffic is choked off somewhere in the stack
> because it's not traffic we want.
> 
> 
> On Sep 21, 2010, at 9:58 AM, Lauren Gelman wrote:
> 
> > 
> > ahh. The question that launched a thousand debates.  There is
> > *never* a quick answer to this question (i.e., does freedom in iraq
> > mean free speech or free elections?) For your question, I believe
> > in the former (substantive requirements) but their are many firmly
> > in the latter (procedural equality) camp. I'd prefer to see
> > affirmative privacy protecting features in Diaspora but they are
> > banking instead on the "market" approach-- that as long as users
> > can take their data elsewhere, activists will be able to
> > create/find a provider that meets their needs. Time will tell. 
> > 
> > On Sep 21, 2010, at 9:44 AM, Mary Joyce wrote:
> > 
> >> Would it be appropriate to create a list of policy
> >> recommendations/standards for social media platforms that host
> >> political content or is it as simple as "ToS should be applied
> >> equally to all users"?  
> >> 
> >> Mary
> >> 
> >> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Yosem Companys
> >> <companys at stanford.edu> wrote: This is why we need peer to peer
> >> solutions like Diaspora to provide a platform for activists.
> >> Otherwise the corporate structure of these tech firms can always
> >> interfere in one way or another to direct activity.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Jillian C. York
> >> <jilliancyork at gmail.com> wrote: Hi - Jillian York here (have been
> >> lurking for a couple of weeks).  I was interviewed for that
> >> article and would like to add this just-released paper I wrote on
> >> the same subject: http://bit.ly/8ZN8PH
> >> 
> >> The paper ("Policing Content in the Quasi-Public Sphere") looks at
> >> the content regulation policies of 5 social media
> >> platforms--Twitter, Flickr, Blogger, Facebook, and YouTube.  I
> >> won't give away the ending ;)
> >> 
> >> -Jillian
> >> 
> >> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Katrin Verclas
> >> <katrinverclas at gmail.com> wrote: Thoughts, colleagues!
> >> 
> >> ------Original Message------
> >> From: Colin Delany
> >> Sender: Progressive Exchange
> >> To: Progressive Exchange
> >> ReplyTo: Colin Delany
> >> Subject: [progressiveexchange] Facebook interfering with activism
> >> Pages Sent: Sep 20, 2010 3:34 PM
> >> 
> >> Activists upset with Facebook
> >> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/42364.html
> >> 
> >> Claims they've violated terms of service.  Discuss.
> >> 
> >> 
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