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[liberationtech] I LOVE technology, but

Sheila Parks sheilaruthparks at comcast.net
Wed Apr 6 16:46:28 PDT 2011


not anywhere in our voting process

I trust everyone on this list has seen all the rigging and hacking 
done by profs and students at a number of universities around the country

Surely, we have time to count the votes by hand, to make sure our 
votes are counted as cast and that those we elect to be in office, 
really are in office

Our voting rights are the ones that all are other rights stand on

Voting is the cornerstone of democracy, but only if the votes are 
counted as cast

See, especially on our web site on Articles on hand-counting my 
article "Observations of HCPB elections - and note especially, Acton, 
ME, where they hand-counted the votes twice, about 1K ballots in four 
hours, 11 initiatives, i am saying from memory, may be a little off.

Why are we in such a hurry for results?

As it stands now, our voting is controlled by a privatizid voting 
machine industry. How wrong can we get it?

Voting belong to We the People,

Our web site, below, cites the research on the rigging and hacking

Sheila

At 07:05 PM 4/6/2011, Sheila Parks wrote:
>Thx so much for your fast response
>
>Do you have a date for the paper?
>
>:Please, see our web site, below and look at the Articles page and 
>on hand-counting
>
>I observed the counting of several hand-counted paper ballots 
>elections in real time and it is very doable
>
>As you prob know, Ireland, Netherlands and Gemany went back to HCPB, 
>although I heard today that Ireland has left HCPB and went to IRV 
>instead, alas.
>
>It feels to me that you are talking about Egypt being a "developing 
>country" and so cannot use HCPB the same way some say, low income 
>kids in school cannot use the same methods that rich kids do.
>
>I don't think you mean that, so I am wondering precisely what you do 
>mean and why?
>
>When I posted the email about Egypt learning from India on my FB and 
>Twitter accounts, I said that here we go = when Hillary Clinton 
>asked India to help Egypt with voting now, we do have proof that 
>rigging elections is a bi-partisan industry. To name two of the most 
>obvious, Gore and Kerry won the election in 2000 and 2004 and Bush 
>was in the WH. And, the question remains, why did both Gore and 
>Coakley concede so fast, and Moakly here in MA when she lost 
>Kennedy's seat and so many of us voting rights activists were 
>begging all three of them not to concede at all,  Then there is 
>another famous one, when Max Cleland lost to Chambliss in an "upset".
>
>I am eager to hear what you say, after you read what is being done
>
>Thx again
>
>Sheila
>
>At 06:56 PM 4/6/2011, Pranesh Prakash wrote:
>>Dear Sheila,
>>It's a public paper, and it was recently discussed in passing on 
>>this very list.  I also think the conclusion is a bit disingenuous 
>>when it suggests that paper ballots might actually be better suited 
>>to a developing country with a large population (while I agree that 
>>a paper audit trail would improve the system).
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Pranesh
>>
>>On Thursday 07 April 2011 04:22 AM, Sheila Parks wrote:
>>>Is this paper from Haldermann a published paper? And can I repost it
>>>also, or is it just you, Rebecca that has permission?
>>>
>>>Also, I cannot find a date on it? Am I not seeing it? Do you know the date?
>>>
>>>Thx so much
>>>
>>>Sheila
>>>
>>>At 05:24 PM 4/6/2011, Rebecca MacKinnon wrote:
>>>>Alex Halderman from UMich/Princeton CITP has this to say about that
>>>>report (shared with his permission):
>>>>
>>>>"It was recently reported that Egyptian officials have been reaching
>>>>out to India's election commission for guidance:
>>>><http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-04-05/india/29383962_1_iidem-s-y-quraishi-evms>http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-04-05/india/29383962_1_iidem-s-y-quraishi-evms
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I wonder whether they'll adopt similar technology. If they were to
>>>>deploy the same kind of machines that India uses, my chief concern
>>>>would be their vulnerability to centralized insider fraud.
>>>>
>>>>(See my India EVM paper:
>>>><http://www.cse.umich.edu/%7Ejhalderm/pub/papers/evm-ccs10.pdf>http://www.cse.umich.edu/~jhalderm/pub/papers/evm-ccs10.pdf
>>>>)"
>>>>
>>>>Best,
>>>>Rebecca
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 3:45 PM, David Jandura
>>>><<mailto:djandura at ifes.org>djandura at ifes.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From <http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/389398>Al-Masry Al Youm:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The Egyptian government is preparing to introduce an electronic voting
>>>>system for the upcoming parliamentary elections scheduled for
>>>>September. Refaat Qemsan, head of the Interior Ministry's elections
>>>>department, said the system will allow eligible citizens to vote by
>>>>submitting their national identity card data online.
>>>>
>>>>At a forum held Tuesday in Cairo, Qemsan said current election laws
>>>>only concern Egyptians residing in Egypt, adding that most expatriate
>>>>Egyptians do not have Egyptian IDs. Qemsan called for including
>>>>expatriate Egyptians in any new voting system. Maged Othman, minister
>>>>of communications and information technology, said the country is
>>>>ready to introduce an electronic system of voting in time for the
>>>>parliamentary and presidential elections. However, observers believe
>>>>Egyptian elections laws stand in the way of implementing such a system
>>>>because they refer to paper voter lists and ballot boxes. Egyptian
>>>>political parties and movements have said they would like the
>>>>electronic system to first be piloted in club and syndicate elections
>>>>before being implemented in national elections.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>E-voting can mean both automated machines or internet voting so I'm
>>>>not sure what they are proposing here. The expatriate aspect leads me
>>>>to believe they mean internet voting, as unbelievable as that sounds.
>>>>Has anybody heard any information on this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>David Jandura | Research Associate| IFES (International Foundation for
>>>>Electoral Systems)
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>>>>
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>>>Sheila Parks, Ed.D.
>>>Founder
>>>Center for Hand-Counted Paper Ballots
>>>Belmont, MA 02478
>>>617-932-1424
>>>DEMOCRACY IN OUR HANDS
>>>www.handcountedpaperballots.org
>>>sheila at handcountedpaperballots.org
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>>Pranesh Prakash
>>Programme Manager
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>>W: http://cis-india.org | T: +91 80 40926283
>>
>
>Sheila Parks, Ed.D.
>Founder
>Center for Hand-Counted Paper Ballots
>Belmont, MA 02478
>617-932-1424
>DEMOCRACY IN OUR HANDS
>www.handcountedpaperballots.org
>sheila at handcountedpaperballots.org

Sheila Parks, Ed.D.
Founder
Center for Hand-Counted Paper Ballots
Belmont, MA 02478
617-932-1424
DEMOCRACY IN OUR HANDS
www.handcountedpaperballots.org
sheila at handcountedpaperballots.org




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