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[liberationtech] I LOVE technology, but WI WI WI WI WI WI WI WI WI WI WI

David Jandura djandura at
Sat Apr 9 12:21:56 PDT 2011

Thank you Peter,

Shelia, I'm not sure why you were offended by my statement that clearly was not written in a way to insult anybody.   Calling something an administrative issue is not ignoring the role of technology (be it computers or paper), but noting that how people use it is the most important factor.  How is running out of ballot paper - whether intentional or not - not the result of poor election administration? Elections have been conducted both poorly and well, for a long time in a large variety of environments.  I'm merely saying that using one type of technology as the sole independent variable for explaining this variation is overlooking a lot of other factors. 

From: Peter Lindener [lindener.peter at]
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 4:46 PM
To: Sheila Parks
Cc: David Jandura; liberationtech at
Subject: Re: [liberationtech] I LOVE technology, but WI WI WI WI WI WI WI WI WI WI WI

Sheila -

   I think Dave is spot on,   Digital systems tend to further extend the what one is already doing in some if the system is broken putting its Information Process into a Computer would leave it that way......   I do think this is a mater of clear cut, orderly administration.... the Advantage with using a computer to do it, is that once one manages to fully secure the ends to stay that way......   I.e one does not need to worry that next time it will somehow be different......  Once programmed into the systems It is very cheap to do full very though auditing, that one needs to only program once.......


On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Sheila Parks <sheilaruthparks at<mailto:sheilaruthparks at>> wrote:
I have just come in and merely glanced at all emails, except this last one, that I am reading now. I will read the others later

Assuming you have seen and are following what is going on in WI about the Supreme Court election and its RIGGING,

To call it an "administrative issue" is simply just plain wrong, not only in WI now, but everywhere

Furthermore, to make such a statement without offering what you mean by it is an insult to all of us or should we just take your word for it?

Had the election been a secure (meaning ballot custody before during and after) hand-counted ballots one in all jurisdictions, this could not have been happening

I am interested in what those of you who like e-voting machines and/or see no danger in them think about what is going on in WI now with the election I mentioned above

You are aware, I trust that they "ran out of ballots" and many voters had to vote on DRE's, with no paper trail,


At 02:13 PM 4/8/2011, David Jandura wrote:
While we should make every effort to measure the impact of introducing new technology into any process, I think there is a tendency to overstate its effect in any direction.  Technology is a tool, not an independent actor.  In most situations, technology amplifies intent; both deficiencies and capabilities will become more apparent. Election fraud is fundamentally an administrative issue.


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