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[liberationtech] Free and Fair Elections in Egypt

Sheila Parks sheilaruthparks at comcast.net
Sun Feb 13 18:02:34 PST 2011


Thanks, Rebecca

I do agree and hope that the Egyptians won't go to the e-voting 
machines, but who knows

And the experiences of the rigged elections in Egypt for the last 30 
years, or whenever they had elections, were they always hand-counted, 
do you know?

An election now in Egypt will be so different from when Mubarak and 
his thugs ran one, that I hope the Egyptians don't do what Steve did 
in his email, that is, turn to the past and the elections

Ireland, the Netherlands, and Germany have all gotten rid of their 
e-voting machines and yes, there is lots of trouble in India

I do not understand how anyone could trust a machine or a computer, 
to count our votes

Sheila

At 04:25 PM 2/13/2011, Rebecca MacKinnon wrote:
>Important points.
>
>Still, it's not a bad idea for people trying to put together free 
>and fair elections for the first time to be mindful - along with all 
>of those core prerequisites you mention - of the problems emerging 
>around the world with electronic voting machines.
>
>See for example this "Security Analysis of India's Electronic Voting 
>Machines" by a multi-national team of computer scientists:
><http://www.cse.umich.edu/~jhalderm/pub/papers/evm-ccs10.pdf>http://www.cse.umich.edu/~jhalderm/pub/papers/evm-ccs10.pdf
>
>In the event (which may be unlikely) that the use of electronic 
>voting machines is seriously proposed or considered in Egypt, these 
>problems are certainly an excellent reason to stick with paper ballots.
>
>
>On Feb 13, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Steve Weis wrote:
>
>>Egypt used hand-counted paper ballots in 2010 [1]. That didn't 
>>prevent voter intimidation or ballot stuffing, like what's 
>>apparently shown in this video: 
>><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4HBUKkXyIc>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4HBUKkXyIc
>>
>>The specific mechanism of how the votes are cast is largely 
>>irrelevant without vote enfranchisement, safe voting locations, 
>>media freedoms, electoral oversight, and the ability to audit the 
>>results. Focusing on whether someone votes with a pen and paper, or 
>>a touchscreen is missing the bigger picture.
>>
>>[1] - "Furor Grows Over Egypt's Election Results", 
>><http://www.npr.org/2010/11/30/131704396/calls-grow-to-set-aside-egypt-s-election-results>http://www.npr.org/2010/11/30/131704396/calls-grow-to-set-aside-egypt-s-election-results
>>
>>On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Sheila Parks 
>><<mailto:sheilaruthparks at comcast.net>sheilaruthparks at comcast.net> wrote:
>>My blood runs cold every time I hear that, wondering if, no WHEN 
>>the US privatized, riggable electronic voting machine industry will 
>>try to sell their poisons to Egypt.
>>
>>The youth and geeks who organized and those millions of leaders who 
>>took part in Revolution know better than that, I tell myself
>>
>>I would really appreciate comments from you who are involved in 
>>democracy and technology.
>>
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Sheila Parks, Ed.D.
Founder
Center for Hand-Counted Paper Ballots
Belmont, MA 02478
617-932-1424
DEMOCRACY IN OUR HANDS
www.handcountedpaperballots.org
sheila at handcountedpaperballots.org
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