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[liberationtech] Belarus/Ericsson/GSM

Derek Halliday derek at guardianproject.info
Mon Jan 17 09:11:53 PST 2011


Orbot, a Tor client for Android, is also available now via the standard
Market with support for many of Tor's handy features (hidden services,
bridges, etc.). More here: https://guardianproject.info/apps/orbot/

The warnings that Frank describes below are absolutely crucial to
understand, however. Wifi-only devices have a very distinct advantage in
this respect.

-Derek


On 01/17/11 12:01 PM, Frank Corrigan wrote:
> Tor for Smartphones
> Android-based phones, tablets, computers Android Bundle Android
> Instructions
> iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad        Test packages by Marco
> Nokia Maemo/N900                Experimental instructions 
> https://www.torproject.org/download/download.html.en
> 
> Though use of Tor on a mobile phone/dongle will not stop tracing
> location via Cell Phone  IMEI (International Mobile Equipment Identity)
> number/ SIM/Phone number Tower triangulation and ad-hoc mobile phone
> relay/interception towers being deployed by adversaries. 
> 
> Olympics bosses probe mobile tracking tech
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/06/olympics_mobile_tracking/
> 
> Frank
> 
> ----- Original message -----
> From: "Douglas Finley" <dafinley at gmail.com>
> To: "elham gheytanchi" <elhamucla at hotmail.com>
> Cc: liberationtech at mailman.stanford.edu
> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:41:26 -0600
> Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Belarus/Ericsson/GSM
> 
> Conceptually,
> 
> Does anyone know how effective a mobile version of Tor would be?
> Same server/client relationship strictly related to WiFi.
> I know using the service over 3G would be futile, but if your phone had
> a
> mobile Tor app..you would be able to talk/text/web on your mobile more
> securely right?
> Does anyone know if Mobile languages (iOS, Android, etc) give you API
> access
> to what you need to make something like that work?
> 
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:10 AM, elham gheytanchi
> <elhamucla at hotmail.com>wrote:
> 
>>  when I was in Iran two years ago, I met up with three activists (women's
>> rights activists) and none of them brought their cell phones to our meeting
>> place. when I asked them why: they said they have learned- by trial and
>> error- that it is best to turn off their cell phones, take the sim card
>> out and leave it at home because otherwise they are traced by the security
>> forces.
>>
>> Best,
>> elham
>>
>>> From: cfarivar at cfarivar.org
>>> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:54:22 +0100
>>> To: AllnuttL at rferl.org
>>> CC: liberationtech at mailman.stanford.edu
>>> Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Belarus/Ericsson/GSM
>>
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, Nokia Siemens Networks basically said the same
>>> thing about the kit they sold to Iran pre 2009 election.
>>>
>>> -C
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Luke Allnutt <AllnuttL at rferl.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> I'm a journalist from RFE/RL working on a story about the recent
>> crackdown
>>>> in Belarus. Our Belarus Service is reporting that hundreds of cell
>> phone
>>>> owners are being summoned for interrogation by police and the KGB
>> because,
>>>> on December 19, they were using their phones at the site of the
>>>> antigovernment protest.
>>>>
>>>> We are trying to ascertain whether the phone operators were asked to
>> supply
>>>> the information about their customers' phone calls or whether the KGB
>> was
>>>> able to track these calls on their own. Both scenarios seem plausible.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone has any insight into what might have happened here and how
>> easy it
>>>> would be for the KGB to get that location data on their own, it would
>> be
>>>> much appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> My second question, if I may, would be about Ericsson, who have
>> supplied
>>>> Belarus operators with GSM equipment. I spoke via email to Ericsson,
>> and
>>>> from what I can make out, the GSM equipment they've supplied Belarus
>> with is
>>>> pretty standard and contains capabilities for "lawful intercept," which
>> they
>>>> say is entirely in keeping with worldwide standards and norms.
>>>>
>>>> I've spoken to a few experts to try to ascertain whether Ericsson is
>> doing
>>>> anything inappropriate here. Should they, for instance, sell different
>>>> equipment to countries with less-than-democratic records? How difficult
>>>> would it be for Ericsson to reengineer their systems so lawful
>> intercept
>>>> capabilities were taken out? And how difficult would it be to put those
>>>> things back in?
>>>>
>>>> I apologize if these questions seem overly simplistic or off-the-mark.
>> I
>>>> have only a fairly limited understanding of the engineering questions;
>> thus
>>>> why I'm turning to you people.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone would have the time to answer my questions on list or off
>> list, I
>>>> would be hugely grateful. Many thanks for your time.
>>>>
>>>> Best Wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Luke
>>>>
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>>>
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