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[liberationtech] Belarus/Ericsson/GSM

Douglas Finley dafinley at gmail.com
Mon Jan 17 09:12:47 PST 2011


Well I didn't know they already had mobile Tor's,
but would you still be able to be tracked through a phone number if your not
using
your phone's SIM Card at all. Just WiFi, Tor, and Google Voice or Skype  but
some VOIP service?
It seems like for Tor to work with any kind of mobile VOIP app it would have
to be configured to
send its data through Tor.

Tor only protects Internet applications that are configured to send their
traffic through Tor — it doesn't magically anonymize all your traffic just
because you install it.


On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Frank Corrigan
<email at franciscorrigan.com>wrote:

> Tor for Smartphones
> Android-based phones, tablets, computers Android Bundle Android
> Instructions
> iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad        Test packages by Marco
> Nokia Maemo/N900                Experimental instructions
> https://www.torproject.org/download/download.html.en
>
> Though use of Tor on a mobile phone/dongle will not stop tracing
> location via Cell Phone  IMEI (International Mobile Equipment Identity)
> number/ SIM/Phone number Tower triangulation and ad-hoc mobile phone
> relay/interception towers being deployed by adversaries.
>
> Olympics bosses probe mobile tracking tech
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/06/olympics_mobile_tracking/
>
> Frank
>
> ----- Original message -----
> From: "Douglas Finley" <dafinley at gmail.com>
> To: "elham gheytanchi" <elhamucla at hotmail.com>
> Cc: liberationtech at mailman.stanford.edu
> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:41:26 -0600
> Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Belarus/Ericsson/GSM
>
> Conceptually,
>
> Does anyone know how effective a mobile version of Tor would be?
> Same server/client relationship strictly related to WiFi.
> I know using the service over 3G would be futile, but if your phone had
> a
> mobile Tor app..you would be able to talk/text/web on your mobile more
> securely right?
> Does anyone know if Mobile languages (iOS, Android, etc) give you API
> access
> to what you need to make something like that work?
>
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:10 AM, elham gheytanchi
> <elhamucla at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> >  when I was in Iran two years ago, I met up with three activists (women's
> > rights activists) and none of them brought their cell phones to our
> meeting
> > place. when I asked them why: they said they have learned- by trial and
> > error- that it is best to turn off their cell phones, take the sim card
> > out and leave it at home because otherwise they are traced by the
> security
> > forces.
> >
> > Best,
> > elham
> >
> > > From: cfarivar at cfarivar.org
> > > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:54:22 +0100
> > > To: AllnuttL at rferl.org
> > > CC: liberationtech at mailman.stanford.edu
> > > Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Belarus/Ericsson/GSM
> >
> > >
> > > For what it's worth, Nokia Siemens Networks basically said the same
> > > thing about the kit they sold to Iran pre 2009 election.
> > >
> > > -C
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Luke Allnutt <AllnuttL at rferl.org>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear All,
> > > >
> > > > I'm a journalist from RFE/RL working on a story about the recent
> > crackdown
> > > > in Belarus. Our Belarus Service is reporting that hundreds of cell
> > phone
> > > > owners are being summoned for interrogation by police and the KGB
> > because,
> > > > on December 19, they were using their phones at the site of the
> > > > antigovernment protest.
> > > >
> > > > We are trying to ascertain whether the phone operators were asked to
> > supply
> > > > the information about their customers' phone calls or whether the KGB
> > was
> > > > able to track these calls on their own. Both scenarios seem
> plausible.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone has any insight into what might have happened here and how
> > easy it
> > > > would be for the KGB to get that location data on their own, it would
> > be
> > > > much appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > My second question, if I may, would be about Ericsson, who have
> > supplied
> > > > Belarus operators with GSM equipment. I spoke via email to Ericsson,
> > and
> > > > from what I can make out, the GSM equipment they've supplied Belarus
> > with is
> > > > pretty standard and contains capabilities for "lawful intercept,"
> which
> > they
> > > > say is entirely in keeping with worldwide standards and norms.
> > > >
> > > > I've spoken to a few experts to try to ascertain whether Ericsson is
> > doing
> > > > anything inappropriate here. Should they, for instance, sell
> different
> > > > equipment to countries with less-than-democratic records? How
> difficult
> > > > would it be for Ericsson to reengineer their systems so lawful
> > intercept
> > > > capabilities were taken out? And how difficult would it be to put
> those
> > > > things back in?
> > > >
> > > > I apologize if these questions seem overly simplistic or
> off-the-mark.
> > I
> > > > have only a fairly limited understanding of the engineering
> questions;
> > thus
> > > > why I'm turning to you people.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone would have the time to answer my questions on list or off
> > list, I
> > > > would be hugely grateful. Many thanks for your time.
> > > >
> > > > Best Wishes,
> > > >
> > > > Luke
> > > >
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