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[liberationtech] Cyber-sceptics wanted!

Jillian C. York jilliancyork at gmail.com
Wed Mar 2 11:22:58 PST 2011


Yes, him and the entire staff of the New York Times ;)

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Dave Karpf <davekarpf at gmail.com> wrote:

> One of?
>
> And I'd echo Ben Peters's suggestion. Rasmus is always worth the price of
> admission.  He's less of a "skeptic" than a "critical thinker," but that's
> probably for the best anyway.
> -DK
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Jillian C. York <jilliancyork at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Thus solidifying Gladwell as one of the most irrelevant voices in this
>> space.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Alec Muffett <alec.muffett at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 2 Mar 2011, at 18:54, Collin Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>> > The difference in the debate isn't necessarily between liberation tech
>>> and a negative argument. Rather, against a palpable lack of nuance in some
>>> of the more effusive views often expressed even on this esteemed list.
>>>
>>> I'd go further and say that there's a general lack of understanding, let
>>> alone nuance; for me this is most recently well-expressed in the latest
>>> (March 1) Foreign Affairs, where there's a rebuttal/counter-rebuttal by
>>> Gladwell and Shirky, both in regard to Clay's essay from the January 1
>>> issue.
>>>
>>> In essence the exchange boils down to:
>>>
>>> MG: Because revolutions did occur in the pre-internet days, ergo the
>>> internet/web/socialmedia is irrelevant to revolutions. Nyaah!
>>>
>>> CS: The internet/web/socialmedia taked the balance-of-power of
>>> communication and swings it somewhat away from the state; this lends some
>>> advantage to the citizenry. New battlefield dynamics make life somewhat
>>> trickier for authoritarianism. Suck it up and deal with it.
>>>
>>> There - we've just saved everyone a trip to Oxford and/or the price of a
>>> magazine.
>>>
>>>        -a
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>
>
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> Dave Karpf, PhD
>
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> Journalism and Media Studies Department
> School of Communication and Information
> Rutgers University, New Brunswick
>
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