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[liberationtech] Not another Haystack right?

Renee Lloyd reneelloyd at me.com
Tue Nov 29 07:43:32 PST 2011


I second that request.  
On 2011-11-29, at 10:35 AM, 10 com wrote:

> Dear all, discussing this topic,
>  
> Would it be possible to 'translate' what you're discussing into an article or blogpost in wordings understandable for normal computer users. It seems of great importance. After writing, spreading the link via socmed and this mailing list
> thnx
>  
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> 10 com
> 10com at operamail.com
>  
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 10:30 AM, "Collin Anderson" <collin at averysmallbird.com> wrote:
>> Michael,
>>  
>> Do you have permission to redistribute JVM packages? Otherwise, it would seem to be a violation of copyright and sanctions (were any operational elements in the US).
>>  
>> What troubles me is the manner this discussion was started. Certainly, we should express deep skepticism toward any tool that is released, but Yosem, your title was quite curtly accusatory and without any support!
>>  
>> Collin
>>  
>> -- 
>> Collin David Anderson
>> averysmallbird.com | @cda | Washington, D.C.
>>  
>> On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Michael Rogers wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Jillian,
>>>  
>>> Thanks for raising this point. Do you know whether US export controls
>>> prevent a third party in a third country from redistributing Java
>>> (subject to copyright restrictions) to users in Syria?
>>>  
>>> Cheers,
>>> Michael
>>>  
>>> On 29/11/11 14:53, Jillian C. York wrote:
>>>> I'd also remember that Syrians (and perhaps others) are barred by US
>>>> export controls from downloading Java.
>>>>  
>>>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:39 AM, Michael Rogers <m-- at gmx.com
>>>> <mailto:m-- at gmx.com>> wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> Good call, I'll make sure we show a warning at startup if the JVM's out
>>>> of date.
>>>>  
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Michael
>>>>  
>>>> On 29/11/11 14:37, Fran Parker wrote:
>>>> > Hi Michael,
>>>> >
>>>> > Then maybe you could recommend that people upgrade their Java to the
>>>> > latest stable version if they plan to use the product before it
>>>> goes to
>>>> > C or C++ version?
>>>> >
>>>> > I wouldn't dream of running any Java based program without using the
>>>> > latest stable (presumably safer) version. I have seen many folks still
>>>> > running *cringe* version Update 5.x!
>>>> >
>>>> > Especially when you are talking about people's lives...
>>>> >
>>>> > Maybe something to think about anyway...
>>>> >
>>>> > Fran
>>>> >
>>>> > On 11/29/11 9:31 AM, Michael Rogers wrote:
>>>> >> Hi Fran,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks for the feedback.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The plan is to bundle a JVM for Windows, where Java isn't
>>>> available by
>>>> >> default, and rely on the default JVM for Mac and Android.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> New JVMs are supposed to be backward compatible with old
>>>> applications,
>>>> >> so our code should run on any JVM that supports Java 1.5 or later.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> We've also discussed porting the code to C or C++, but that won't
>>>> happen
>>>> >> until the design stabilises.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>> >> Michael
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 29/11/11 14:06, Fran Parker wrote:
>>>> >>> Interesting. My only concern is that it's built on Java which
>>>> has many
>>>> >>> vulnerabilities if a person is using an older version. And newer
>>>> >>> versions can break the program entirely. Or am I missing something?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Fran
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On 11/29/11 7:41 AM, Yosem Companys wrote:
>>>> >>>> Briar Project aims to create a secure news& discussion system for
>>>> >>>> people in authoritarian societies http://t.co/cZtLzF7B
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