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[liberationtech] Not another Haystack right?

Jillian C. York jilliancyork at gmail.com
Tue Nov 29 07:53:54 PST 2011


Hi Michael,

I don't know, you'd need to consult an export lawyer.  That said, I can say
that most Syrians simply get around the ban by using circumvention to
download Java, but that may not solve the legal questions here.

-Jillian

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Michael Rogers <m-- at gmx.com> wrote:

> Hi Jillian,
>
> Thanks for raising this point. Do you know whether US export controls
> prevent a third party in a third country from redistributing Java
> (subject to copyright restrictions) to users in Syria?
>
> Cheers,
> Michael
>
> On 29/11/11 14:53, Jillian C. York wrote:
> > I'd also remember that Syrians (and perhaps others) are barred by US
> > export controls from downloading Java.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:39 AM, Michael Rogers <m-- at gmx.com
> > <mailto:m-- at gmx.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Good call, I'll make sure we show a warning at startup if the JVM's
> out
> >     of date.
> >
> >     Cheers,
> >     Michael
> >
> >     On 29/11/11 14:37, Fran Parker wrote:
> >     > Hi Michael,
> >     >
> >     > Then maybe you could recommend that people upgrade their Java to
> the
> >     > latest stable version if they plan to use the product before it
> >     goes to
> >     > C or C++ version?
> >     >
> >     > I wouldn't dream of running any Java based program without using
> the
> >     > latest stable (presumably safer) version. I have seen many folks
> still
> >     > running *cringe* version Update 5.x!
> >     >
> >     > Especially when you are talking about people's lives...
> >     >
> >     > Maybe something to think about anyway...
> >     >
> >     > Fran
> >     >
> >     > On 11/29/11 9:31 AM, Michael Rogers wrote:
> >     >> Hi Fran,
> >     >>
> >     >> Thanks for the feedback.
> >     >>
> >     >> The plan is to bundle a JVM for Windows, where Java isn't
> >     available by
> >     >> default, and rely on the default JVM for Mac and Android.
> >     >>
> >     >> New JVMs are supposed to be backward compatible with old
> >     applications,
> >     >> so our code should run on any JVM that supports Java 1.5 or later.
> >     >>
> >     >> We've also discussed porting the code to C or C++, but that won't
> >     happen
> >     >> until the design stabilises.
> >     >>
> >     >> Cheers,
> >     >> Michael
> >     >>
> >     >> On 29/11/11 14:06, Fran Parker wrote:
> >     >>> Interesting. My only concern is that it's built on Java which
> >     has many
> >     >>> vulnerabilities if a person is using an older version. And newer
> >     >>> versions can break the program entirely. Or am I missing
> something?
> >     >>>
> >     >>> Fran
> >     >>>
> >     >>> On 11/29/11 7:41 AM, Yosem Companys wrote:
> >     >>>> Briar Project aims to create a secure news&   discussion system
> for
> >     >>>> people in authoritarian societies http://t.co/cZtLzF7B
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