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[liberationtech] Not another Haystack right?

Omer Gibreel omegato at hotmail.com
Tue Nov 29 08:24:24 PST 2011


Greeting everyone
it is nice to read this discussion, after reading about this Briar project, other then the point that has been pointed interim about java in Syria, it is also not allowed in the Sudan and could not be downloaded there also. hence it would be hard to download java in the first place let alone use it. also having the java virtual machine update to the newest version would be hard for people in these states to get the latest version because the old version was hard to get and hence the newer version would take long time to be available to people in these states. wish this could help, 
best regards Omer Gibreel 


Omer Gibreel



Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 07:53:54 -0800
From: jilliancyork at gmail.com
To: m-- at gmx.com
CC: companys at stanford.edu; liberationtech at lists.stanford.edu
Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Not another Haystack right?

Hi Michael,

I don't know, you'd need to consult an export lawyer.  That said, I can say that most Syrians simply get around the ban by using circumvention to download Java, but that may not solve the legal questions here.


-Jillian

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Michael Rogers <m-- at gmx.com> wrote:

Hi Jillian,



Thanks for raising this point. Do you know whether US export controls

prevent a third party in a third country from redistributing Java

(subject to copyright restrictions) to users in Syria?



Cheers,

Michael



On 29/11/11 14:53, Jillian C. York wrote:

> I'd also remember that Syrians (and perhaps others) are barred by US

> export controls from downloading Java.

>

> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:39 AM, Michael Rogers <m-- at gmx.com

> <mailto:m-- at gmx.com>> wrote:

>

>     Good call, I'll make sure we show a warning at startup if the JVM's out

>     of date.

>

>     Cheers,

>     Michael

>

>     On 29/11/11 14:37, Fran Parker wrote:

>     > Hi Michael,

>     >

>     > Then maybe you could recommend that people upgrade their Java to the

>     > latest stable version if they plan to use the product before it

>     goes to

>     > C or C++ version?

>     >

>     > I wouldn't dream of running any Java based program without using the

>     > latest stable (presumably safer) version. I have seen many folks still

>     > running *cringe* version Update 5.x!

>     >

>     > Especially when you are talking about people's lives...

>     >

>     > Maybe something to think about anyway...

>     >

>     > Fran

>     >

>     > On 11/29/11 9:31 AM, Michael Rogers wrote:

>     >> Hi Fran,

>     >>

>     >> Thanks for the feedback.

>     >>

>     >> The plan is to bundle a JVM for Windows, where Java isn't

>     available by

>     >> default, and rely on the default JVM for Mac and Android.

>     >>

>     >> New JVMs are supposed to be backward compatible with old

>     applications,

>     >> so our code should run on any JVM that supports Java 1.5 or later.

>     >>

>     >> We've also discussed porting the code to C or C++, but that won't

>     happen

>     >> until the design stabilises.

>     >>

>     >> Cheers,

>     >> Michael

>     >>

>     >> On 29/11/11 14:06, Fran Parker wrote:

>     >>> Interesting. My only concern is that it's built on Java which

>     has many

>     >>> vulnerabilities if a person is using an older version. And newer

>     >>> versions can break the program entirely. Or am I missing something?

>     >>>

>     >>> Fran

>     >>>

>     >>> On 11/29/11 7:41 AM, Yosem Companys wrote:

>     >>>> Briar Project aims to create a secure news&   discussion system for

>     >>>> people in authoritarian societies http://t.co/cZtLzF7B

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