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[liberationtech] Not another Haystack right?

Collin Anderson collin at averysmallbird.com
Tue Nov 29 08:27:19 PST 2011


The problem on top of that is that you may be more restricted by Oracle's very conservative interpretation of the law than the actual Binary Code License Agreement.

Here is a more material point to consider: I have never seen an authoritarian country with a strong Android penetration. From my experience, essentially everyone has a Nokia Symbian device, unless they can afford an iPhone (talk about it being status symbol in the US, try Uzbekistan!). A few places have high Blackberry use due to BBM, but that's all that exists for a third OS. 

Things will change in the next two or three years, but you're designing for a market that doesn't really exist. 

-- 
Collin David Anderson
averysmallbird.com (http://averysmallbird.com/) | @cda | Washington, D.C.



On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Jillian C. York wrote:

> Hi Michael,
> 
> I don't know, you'd need to consult an export lawyer.  That said, I can say that most Syrians simply get around the ban by using circumvention to download Java, but that may not solve the legal questions here.
> 
> -Jillian
> 
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Michael Rogers <m-- at gmx.com (mailto:m-- at gmx.com)> wrote:
> > Hi Jillian,
> > 
> > Thanks for raising this point. Do you know whether US export controls
> > prevent a third party in a third country from redistributing Java
> > (subject to copyright restrictions) to users in Syria?
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Michael
> > 
> > On 29/11/11 14:53, Jillian C. York wrote:
> > > I'd also remember that Syrians (and perhaps others) are barred by US
> > > export controls from downloading Java.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:39 AM, Michael Rogers <m-- at gmx.com (mailto:m-- at gmx.com)
> > > <mailto:m-- at gmx.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > >     Good call, I'll make sure we show a warning at startup if the JVM's out
> > >     of date.
> > >
> > >     Cheers,
> > >     Michael
> > >
> > >     On 29/11/11 14:37, Fran Parker wrote:
> > >     > Hi Michael,
> > >     >
> > >     > Then maybe you could recommend that people upgrade their Java to the
> > >     > latest stable version if they plan to use the product before it
> > >     goes to
> > >     > C or C++ version?
> > >     >
> > >     > I wouldn't dream of running any Java based program without using the
> > >     > latest stable (presumably safer) version. I have seen many folks still
> > >     > running *cringe* version Update 5.x!
> > >     >
> > >     > Especially when you are talking about people's lives...
> > >     >
> > >     > Maybe something to think about anyway...
> > >     >
> > >     > Fran
> > >     >
> > >     > On 11/29/11 9:31 AM, Michael Rogers wrote:
> > >     >> Hi Fran,
> > >     >>
> > >     >> Thanks for the feedback.
> > >     >>
> > >     >> The plan is to bundle a JVM for Windows, where Java isn't
> > >     available by
> > >     >> default, and rely on the default JVM for Mac and Android.
> > >     >>
> > >     >> New JVMs are supposed to be backward compatible with old
> > >     applications,
> > >     >> so our code should run on any JVM that supports Java 1.5 or later.
> > >     >>
> > >     >> We've also discussed porting the code to C or C++, but that won't
> > >     happen
> > >     >> until the design stabilises.
> > >     >>
> > >     >> Cheers,
> > >     >> Michael
> > >     >>
> > >     >> On 29/11/11 14:06, Fran Parker wrote:
> > >     >>> Interesting. My only concern is that it's built on Java which
> > >     has many
> > >     >>> vulnerabilities if a person is using an older version. And newer
> > >     >>> versions can break the program entirely. Or am I missing something?
> > >     >>>
> > >     >>> Fran
> > >     >>>
> > >     >>> On 11/29/11 7:41 AM, Yosem Companys wrote:
> > >     >>>> Briar Project aims to create a secure news&   discussion system for
> > >     >>>> people in authoritarian societies http://t.co/cZtLzF7B
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