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[liberationtech] Not another Haystack right?

Omer Gibreel omegato at hotmail.com
Tue Nov 29 08:45:08 PST 2011


Hi michael, in case of  bundling java for windows that would be great, in case of  using mac i am unaware of the version that are sold in the middle east do have java bundled with it or not. about android, andorid phone are not widely used in the middle east compared to Nokia Symbian just as collin stated, i think this is a good point stated b collin. i hope this helps
best regardsOmer Gibreel


Omer Gibreel



> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:29:12 +0000
> From: m-- at gmx.com
> To: omegato at hotmail.com
> CC: jilliancyork at gmail.com; companys at stanford.edu; liberationtech at lists.stanford.edu
> Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Not another Haystack right?
> 
> Hi Omer,
> 
> Thanks for this information. We're planning to bundle Java for Windows
> with Briar, so Windows users won't need to download it. Java's included
> on all Android phones, so Android users won't need to download it
> either, but I'm not sure about OS X. In the UK, Java's included with OS
> X, but I don't know whether that's the case in Syria or the Sudan. Do
> you know?
> 
> (I'm assuming Linux users can look after themselves!)
> 
> Cheers,
> Michael
> 
> On 29/11/11 16:24, Omer Gibreel wrote:
> > Greeting everyone
> > 
> > it is nice to read this discussion, after reading about this Briar
> > project, other then the point that has been pointed interim about java
> > in Syria, it is also not allowed in the Sudan and could not be
> > downloaded there also. hence it would be hard to download java in the
> > first place let alone use it. also having the java virtual machine
> > update to the newest version would be hard for people in these states to
> > get the latest version because the old version was hard to get and hence
> > the newer version would take long time to be available to people in
> > these states. wish this could help, 
> > 
> > best regards 
> > Omer Gibreel 
> > 
> > 
> >         /Omer Gibreel/
> > 
> > 
> >         /
> >         /
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 07:53:54 -0800
> > From: jilliancyork at gmail.com
> > To: m-- at gmx.com
> > CC: companys at stanford.edu; liberationtech at lists.stanford.edu
> > Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Not another Haystack right?
> > 
> > Hi Michael,
> > 
> > I don't know, you'd need to consult an export lawyer.  That said, I can
> > say that most Syrians simply get around the ban by using circumvention
> > to download Java, but that may not solve the legal questions here.
> > 
> > -Jillian
> > 
> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Michael Rogers <m-- at gmx.com
> > <mailto:m-- at gmx.com>> wrote:
> > 
> >     Hi Jillian,
> > 
> >     Thanks for raising this point. Do you know whether US export controls
> >     prevent a third party in a third country from redistributing Java
> >     (subject to copyright restrictions) to users in Syria?
> > 
> >     Cheers,
> >     Michael
> > 
> >     On 29/11/11 14:53, Jillian C. York wrote:
> >     > I'd also remember that Syrians (and perhaps others) are barred by US
> >     > export controls from downloading Java.
> >     >
> >     > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:39 AM, Michael Rogers <m-- at gmx.com
> >     <mailto:m-- at gmx.com>
> >     > <mailto:m-- at gmx.com <mailto:m-- at gmx.com>>> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >     Good call, I'll make sure we show a warning at startup if the
> >     JVM's out
> >     >     of date.
> >     >
> >     >     Cheers,
> >     >     Michael
> >     >
> >     >     On 29/11/11 14:37, Fran Parker wrote:
> >     >     > Hi Michael,
> >     >     >
> >     >     > Then maybe you could recommend that people upgrade their
> >     Java to the
> >     >     > latest stable version if they plan to use the product before it
> >     >     goes to
> >     >     > C or C++ version?
> >     >     >
> >     >     > I wouldn't dream of running any Java based program without
> >     using the
> >     >     > latest stable (presumably safer) version. I have seen many
> >     folks still
> >     >     > running *cringe* version Update 5.x!
> >     >     >
> >     >     > Especially when you are talking about people's lives...
> >     >     >
> >     >     > Maybe something to think about anyway...
> >     >     >
> >     >     > Fran
> >     >     >
> >     >     > On 11/29/11 9:31 AM, Michael Rogers wrote:
> >     >     >> Hi Fran,
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >> Thanks for the feedback.
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >> The plan is to bundle a JVM for Windows, where Java isn't
> >     >     available by
> >     >     >> default, and rely on the default JVM for Mac and Android.
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >> New JVMs are supposed to be backward compatible with old
> >     >     applications,
> >     >     >> so our code should run on any JVM that supports Java 1.5 or
> >     later.
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >> We've also discussed porting the code to C or C++, but that
> >     won't
> >     >     happen
> >     >     >> until the design stabilises.
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >> Cheers,
> >     >     >> Michael
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >> On 29/11/11 14:06, Fran Parker wrote:
> >     >     >>> Interesting. My only concern is that it's built on Java which
> >     >     has many
> >     >     >>> vulnerabilities if a person is using an older version. And
> >     newer
> >     >     >>> versions can break the program entirely. Or am I missing
> >     something?
> >     >     >>>
> >     >     >>> Fran
> >     >     >>>
> >     >     >>> On 11/29/11 7:41 AM, Yosem Companys wrote:
> >     >     >>>> Briar Project aims to create a secure news&   discussion
> >     system for
> >     >     >>>> people in authoritarian societies http://t.co/cZtLzF7B
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