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[liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

Nadim Kobeissi nadim at nadim.cc
Mon Aug 6 17:31:03 PDT 2012


I think guys like Jillian and Douglas should be more public with their
rhetoric. Really, I agree with your views, but I can't cup my ears to a
debate that the conservative security community is largely overwhelming me
in.

NK


On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Jillian C. York <jilliancyork at gmail.com>wrote:

> +1.
>
> A *safer *web-based tool than Facebook chat with a GIANT WARNING is far
> better than everyone continuing to hold their discussions in insecure fora.
>
> I get the problem here, I do: You most certainly don't want people to
> think your tool is 100% safe when it's not.  But moving to a browser add-on
> only doesn't solve the main problem: That many, many, *many* people who
> need encrypted chat do not control/admin the device on which they want to
> chat.
>
> If users were probably warned, would that satisfy others?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Douglas Lucas <dal at riseup.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Libtech and Nadim,
>>
>> Is it possible for both versions of crypto.cat to be available? That is
>> to say, maintain the existing version of quick, disposable chat rooms,
>> and then also create the new, more secure version with the XMPP and the
>> browser extension?
>>
>> I ask because in my experience it's easy to get "ordinary civilians" to
>> use current disposable crypto.cat chatrooms -- shoot them the link, and
>> suddenly they're off facebook or google chat, which they've heard enough
>> nasty things about already -- and in so doing, begin to lure them to
>> what some might call the dark arts. Whereas with the planned extension +
>> login/password version, the barrier to entry (at least for my target
>> demographic) is significantly higher.
>>
>> A devil's advocate could argue the existence of two versions would
>> disincentive people from ever moving to more secure methods, but I don't
>> have anything like the empirical numbers to know what would really happen.
>>
>> In any case, crypto.cat is appreciated!
>>
>> :-Douglas
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