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[liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

Andrew Lewis andrew at pdqvpn.com
Mon Aug 6 17:36:39 PDT 2012


That's been an increasing problem with the security community lately, and it has lead to less security overall  when trying to get support to people in the field. 


-Andrew

On Aug 6, 2012, at 8:31 PM, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim at nadim.cc> wrote:

> I think guys like Jillian and Douglas should be more public with their rhetoric. Really, I agree with your views, but I can't cup my ears to a debate that the conservative security community is largely overwhelming me in.
> 
> NK
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Jillian C. York <jilliancyork at gmail.com> wrote:
> +1.
> 
> A safer web-based tool than Facebook chat with a GIANT WARNING is far better than everyone continuing to hold their discussions in insecure fora.
> 
> I get the problem here, I do: You most certainly don't want people to think your tool is 100% safe when it's not.  But moving to a browser add-on only doesn't solve the main problem: That many, many, many people who need encrypted chat do not control/admin the device on which they want to chat.
> 
> If users were probably warned, would that satisfy others?
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Douglas Lucas <dal at riseup.net> wrote:
> Hi Libtech and Nadim,
> 
> Is it possible for both versions of crypto.cat to be available? That is
> to say, maintain the existing version of quick, disposable chat rooms,
> and then also create the new, more secure version with the XMPP and the
> browser extension?
> 
> I ask because in my experience it's easy to get "ordinary civilians" to
> use current disposable crypto.cat chatrooms -- shoot them the link, and
> suddenly they're off facebook or google chat, which they've heard enough
> nasty things about already -- and in so doing, begin to lure them to
> what some might call the dark arts. Whereas with the planned extension +
> login/password version, the barrier to entry (at least for my target
> demographic) is significantly higher.
> 
> A devil's advocate could argue the existence of two versions would
> disincentive people from ever moving to more secure methods, but I don't
> have anything like the empirical numbers to know what would really happen.
> 
> In any case, crypto.cat is appreciated!
> 
> :-Douglas
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