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[liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

Nadim Kobeissi nadim at nadim.cc
Mon Aug 6 17:50:54 PDT 2012


So far, this is my planned approach. Notice the small button linking to the
"online demo" at the bottom:
http://i.imgur.com/Y56I7.png

The "online demo" will have a big red bar at the top throughout the usage
session, saying something like "HEY THIS IS INSECURE INSTALL THE BROWSER
APP INSTEAD"

Suggestions welcome!!
NK


On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Jillian C. York <jilliancyork at gmail.com>wrote:

> It's difficult.  I'm not a technologist, but I understand the issues and
> the user needs well.  My "type," I'd surmise, is few and far between.
>
> Security experts have obvious reasons for being conservative, and I get
> that.  Nevertheless, there are a lot of users who would benefit from *a
> little bit* of added security.  The question, then, as I see it, is:
>
> *How do we provide that little bit while still making users aware of
> risks?*
>
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim at nadim.cc> wrote:
>
>> I think guys like Jillian and Douglas should be more public with their
>> rhetoric. Really, I agree with your views, but I can't cup my ears to a
>> debate that the conservative security community is largely overwhelming me
>> in.
>>
>> NK
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Jillian C. York <jilliancyork at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> +1.
>>>
>>> A *safer *web-based tool than Facebook chat with a GIANT WARNING is far
>>> better than everyone continuing to hold their discussions in insecure fora.
>>>
>>> I get the problem here, I do: You most certainly don't want people to
>>> think your tool is 100% safe when it's not.  But moving to a browser add-on
>>> only doesn't solve the main problem: That many, many, *many* people who
>>> need encrypted chat do not control/admin the device on which they want to
>>> chat.
>>>
>>> If users were probably warned, would that satisfy others?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Douglas Lucas <dal at riseup.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Libtech and Nadim,
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible for both versions of crypto.cat to be available? That is
>>>> to say, maintain the existing version of quick, disposable chat rooms,
>>>> and then also create the new, more secure version with the XMPP and the
>>>> browser extension?
>>>>
>>>> I ask because in my experience it's easy to get "ordinary civilians" to
>>>> use current disposable crypto.cat chatrooms -- shoot them the link, and
>>>> suddenly they're off facebook or google chat, which they've heard enough
>>>> nasty things about already -- and in so doing, begin to lure them to
>>>> what some might call the dark arts. Whereas with the planned extension +
>>>> login/password version, the barrier to entry (at least for my target
>>>> demographic) is significantly higher.
>>>>
>>>> A devil's advocate could argue the existence of two versions would
>>>> disincentive people from ever moving to more secure methods, but I don't
>>>> have anything like the empirical numbers to know what would really
>>>> happen.
>>>>
>>>> In any case, crypto.cat is appreciated!
>>>>
>>>> :-Douglas
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> "We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want
>>> the seemingly impossible to become a reality" - *Vaclav Havel*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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>
> "We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want the
> seemingly impossible to become a reality" - *Vaclav Havel*
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