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[liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

Ali-Reza Anghaie ali at
Mon Aug 6 19:05:20 PDT 2012

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Jillian C. York <jilliancyork at> wrote:
> Actually, I think it almost only applies in the US.  I know you said you
> were only talking about security, but since you bring up warrants...
> Because of that, I'd recommend Riseup over Google for most activists outside
> the US.  Whereas Google may not do the legwork around resisting an order
> from say, the Indian government (I'm intentionally choosing a middle-ground
> country; I suspect Google would go to bat for a Chinese activist at this
> point), Riseup doesn't have to think about that.  They have no reason to
> respond to a legal order from a country in which they have neither servers
> nor employees.
> Just wanted to be clear about that, for the sake of the list.

Yeah, I definitely need to put that table together.

This works out well in places there is enough visibility (or care)
from the outside. On the other hand a Baha'i touching Riseup at all is
enough in Iran - well, being Baha'i is enough in Iran - ..

So aside from the technical I still think there is value for hiding in
plain sight. And regular old web services that can be deployed at
domains not "hey my name is foo" are really valuable.

This branches off the Cryptocat thread - I'll send my thoughts separate. -Ali

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