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[liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

Ali-Reza Anghaie ali at
Tue Aug 7 16:10:34 PDT 2012

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <jacob at> wrote:

> It's interesting because one outcome seems to be that almost everyone
> agrees that plaintext should not be considered reasonable. That's a
> great outcome so far - I remember a time when people felt that it was
> fine, most of the time, to have unencrypted communications as the norm.
> I look forward to the day when those same people start to get the big
> picture on general social graph style traffic analysis.

I don't think it's they don't get it - once explained to even the most
jaded they accept the expertise - it's that in the time period with
immediate windows of opportunity present people are looking for a usable
solution for ~their~ definition of usable (not "ours"). And they want it
~now~ on systems they actually have access to.

That's their acceptable risk standard even if we entirely disagree.

Breaking that dynamic isn't something you or I can fix per se. Is it? -Ali
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