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[liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

Ali-Reza Anghaie ali at
Tue Aug 7 16:22:40 PDT 2012

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <jacob at> wrote:

> Ali-Reza Anghaie:
> >
> > I don't think it's they don't get it - once explained to even the most
> > jaded they accept the expertise - it's that in the time period with
> > immediate windows of opportunity present people are looking for a usable
> > solution for ~their~ definition of usable (not "ours"). And they want it
> > ~now~ on systems they actually have access to.
> >
> I regularly explain this to people. Many people have a normal
> psychological reaction where they decide they're not important, not a
> target, targeting is too hard and so on. Generally, they then say,
> "well, whatever" and go on with their lives. It's a heavy burden to
> consider the weight of the NSA's warrant-less wiretapping abilities and
> ongoing realities.

To be clear - you and I can afford to worry about NSA and IRGC - the people
I'm talking about have more pressing issues right then. That week. And no
recourse, ACLU, or EFF to goto. They want a quick and clean solution and
sometimes that's just to say "here is where our money is, take care of my
family in [OTHER_COUNTRY]"..

(Extreme example intentional.)

And thank you - I at least understand where you're at better than Tweets
express. -Ali
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