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[liberationtech] archives public

Greg Norcie greg at norcie.com
Fri Aug 10 01:18:38 PDT 2012


Yes.

I think I was unnecessarily harsh in my own initial reply.

We simply cannot presuppose knowledge of a system. Security nonexperts
have different mental models.

Can we solve every security issue? No. And this is one that
unfortunately, can't be solved without user education.

However, if there's a way to tell robots not to archive this list, I
think it should be undertaken. Corporations and other private business
entities will always respond to the letter (not the spirit) of the law
(/rules/W3C standards)
--
Greg Norcie (greg at norcie.com)
GPG key: 0x1B873635


On 8/9/12 9:40 PM, Brian Conley wrote:
> I agree with you generally Jillian, but perhaps the list guidelines
> should be changed to simply make the archives public?
> 
> In the interest of simplicity and transparency to users, this is
> probably the best solution. Currently individuals who are more
> knowledgeable have more access, while those who are less knowledgeable
> may have incorrect assumptions about the safety/security of the content
> of their emails to the list.
> 
> This is starting to feel a bit like the crux of that cryptocat
>  conversation, no?
> 
> On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Jillian C. York <jilliancyork at gmail.com
> <mailto:jilliancyork at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Folks, *anyone can join the list*.  I assume you all know that,
>     since you all joined once.  Therefore, this seems like a pretty
>     silly thing to argue about.
> 
> 
>     On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Maxim Kammerer <mk at dee.su
>     <mailto:mk at dee.su>> wrote:
> 
>         On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Sam King
>         <samking at cs.stanford.edu <mailto:samking at cs.stanford.edu>> wrote:
>         > In general, I prefer it when the reply-to is as it is in this
>         mailing list.
>         > When I want to reply to the sender, I hit reply, and when I
>         want to reply to
>         > all, I hit reply all.
> 
>         Then, after N replies in a row, you have N subscriber emails in To:
>         header, which means that user's mail server has to send N identical
>         emails (strain on the server, risk of triggering spam filters), list
>         server has to filter email to subscribers who are in To: or Cc: (if
>         anything goes wrong, they get an email twice), and anyone who
>         forwards
>         an email from the list unnecessarily exposes subscribers' email
>         addresses.
> 
>         > When the reply-to is the list, it becomes more
>         > annoying to reply just to the sender.
> 
>         Any decent mail client has a “Reply to Sender” button — no idea why
>         GMail doesn't (or I didn't look hard enough).
> 
>         --
>         Maxim Kammerer
>         Liberté Linux: http://dee.su/liberte
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