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[liberationtech] Google Hangout the new, better skype? Was Re: Skype redux

Brian Conley brianc at
Fri Dec 21 06:52:35 PST 2012

So I guess the question is, is there a more/similarly convenient
video/audio chatting tool that can be advocated as a standard?

Skype is a problem, hands down. But people will continue to use it,
particularly in situations they see as nonthreatening (rightly and wrongly)
because it is convenient and maintains weight in the marketplace.

This is a long way of asking, is Goohke Hangout functionally better? Is
anything else? Or, how do we get someone to develop a convenient p2p
chatting tool that is also pleasurable to use?

On Dec 21, 2012 6:07 AM, "Jacob Appelbaum" <jacob at> wrote:

> Hi,
> In light of the recent thread on journalism, I wanted to share this link
> about Skype:
> "With 250 million monthly connected users, Skype is one of the most
> popular services for making phone calls as well as chatting over the
> Internet. If you have friends, family or business contacts abroad,
> chances are you are using Skype to keep in contact. Having said that,
> you are probably not aware that all your phone calls and text chats can
> be monitored by the censorship authorities in China. And if you are
> aware, chances are that you do not consent to such surveillence.
> Microsoft, however, assumes that you do consent, as expressed in their
> Privacy Policy:
> "Skype, Skype's local partner, or the operator or company facilitating
> your communication may provide personal data, communications content
> and/or traffic data to an appropriate judicial, law enforcement or
> government authority lawfully requesting such information. Skype will
> provide reasonable assistance and information to fulfill this request
> and you hereby consent to such disclosure.
> All the best,
> Jacob
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