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[liberationtech] Google Hangout the new, better skype? Was Re: Skype redux

Mark Belinsky m at markbelinsky.com
Fri Dec 21 12:48:15 PST 2012


While Jitsi is fantastically cross-platform, I've not found it to be
particularly reliable depending on the operating system and service. I'm
glad that Andrew, you've had some successes! I'm curious what combo you
were using it with?

At Guardian Project we've been investigating the opportunities for secure
and encrypted voice and video, as well as working towards developing an
open protocol for it, plus determining how it can work on an appropriate
client. You can find some of our initial review of available platforms on
our wiki https://guardianproject.info/wiki/OSTN or try p2p encrypted voice
with ostel.me if you're interested. No video just yet. And group
communication... well that's not p2p so not just yet.

But Brian, I prefer Google Hangout to Goohke Hangout still.

~Mark


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On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Danny O'Brien <DObrien at cpj.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 07:26:44PM +0200, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Nathan of Guardian <
> > nathan at guardianproject.info> wrote:
> >
> >     On 2012-12-21 20:22, Brian Conley wrote:
> >
> >         This is a long way of asking, is Goohke Hangout functionally
> better?
> >         Is anything else? Or, how do we get someone to develop a
> convenient
> >         p2p chatting tool that is also pleasurable to use?
> >
> >
> >     I personally can't wait for Cryptocat A/V edition! Nadim, hurry up
> please.
> >     :)
> >
> >
> > I hear this a lot — that's a 2014 goal if there ever was one.
>
> Somebody was asking "why do (at risk) groups use Skype", and it's worth
> underlining out a couple of reasons, beyond convenient, ubiquitous,
> multi-platform audio-video chat.
>
> * Permanent, multi-user chat rooms. This is what makes Cryptocat such a
> useful addition: there was a long period where activists didn't have a
> known alternative to this feature that didn't fail badly (IRC over SSL?
> Hard to set up, and what if one person doesn't encrypt? etc), especially
> combined with:
>
> * Live audio-visual contact as a form of authentication. The most
> comprehensible threat for online text conversations is that you're just
> not talking to the right person/people.
>
> I think it's important to bear this in mind because sometimes the
> discussion around Skype revolves around one-on-one videochat, and that
> doesn't seem to be the dominant use in my conversations with at-risk
> users.
>
> d.
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     +n
> >
> >
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