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[liberationtech] Google Hangout the new, better skype? Was Re: Skype redux

Brian Conley brianc at smallworldnews.tv
Fri Dec 21 17:47:43 PST 2012


Thanks Jacob,

How do you consider Adams concerns about Jitsi?

Brian
On Dec 21, 2012 8:24 PM, "Jacob Appelbaum" <jacob at appelbaum.net> wrote:

> Brian Conley:
> > So I guess the question is, is there a more/similarly convenient
> > video/audio chatting tool that can be advocated as a standard?
> >
>
> Jitsi?
>
> > Skype is a problem, hands down. But people will continue to use it,
> > particularly in situations they see as nonthreatening (rightly and
> wrongly)
> > because it is convenient and maintains weight in the marketplace.
> >
>
> People will continue to use it as long as this community and others
> accepts it as a reasonable tool. It isn't a reasonable tool and we
> should warn people not to use it. We should rather encourage them to use
> open and standard protocol, as well as to use FLOSS implementations.
>
> > This is a long way of asking, is Goohke Hangout functionally better? Is
> > anything else? Or, how do we get someone to develop a convenient p2p
> > chatting tool that is also pleasurable to use?
>
> Jitsi is likely better for a lot of stuff. It is written in Java (yay no
> programmer introduced buffer overflows, boo java, boo java), it has OTR
> for chatting and ZRTP for VoIP calls. It does this with standard
> jabber/xmpp accounts. Users can download it over HTTPS and I believe the
> cert may be pinned now in Google Chrome. It isn't perfect but if I had
> to choose between it and Skype, I guess I'd not have a lot of trouble
> making the choice of using Jitsi.
>
> All the best,
> Jake
>
> >
> > B
> > On Dec 21, 2012 6:07 AM, "Jacob Appelbaum" <jacob at appelbaum.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> In light of the recent thread on journalism, I wanted to share this link
> >> about Skype:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://en.greatfire.org/blog/2012/dec/china-listening-skype-microsoft-assumes-you-approve
> >>
> >> "With 250 million monthly connected users, Skype is one of the most
> >> popular services for making phone calls as well as chatting over the
> >> Internet. If you have friends, family or business contacts abroad,
> >> chances are you are using Skype to keep in contact. Having said that,
> >> you are probably not aware that all your phone calls and text chats can
> >> be monitored by the censorship authorities in China. And if you are
> >> aware, chances are that you do not consent to such surveillence.
> >> Microsoft, however, assumes that you do consent, as expressed in their
> >> Privacy Policy:
> >>
> >> "Skype, Skype's local partner, or the operator or company facilitating
> >> your communication may provide personal data, communications content
> >> and/or traffic data to an appropriate judicial, law enforcement or
> >> government authority lawfully requesting such information. Skype will
> >> provide reasonable assistance and information to fulfill this request
> >> and you hereby consent to such disclosure.
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >> Jacob
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