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[liberationtech] Google Hangout the new, better skype? Was Re: Skype redux

Christopher Soghoian chris at
Fri Dec 21 18:35:26 PST 2012

I have asked Google's policy team, repeatedly, about what capabilities they
have for intercepting Hangout conversations, and I always get the same
vague no comment.

Although Google is a clear transparency leader when it comes to reporting
aggregate stats on the # of requests that they receive, they still suck
when it comes to actually discussing their technical surveillance
capabilities, as well as the legal standards they follow when providing
surveillance assistance.

If you aren't comfortable using Skype (for good reason), then you shouldn't
use Hangout either.

On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Brian Conley <brianc at>wrote:

> So I guess the question is, is there a more/similarly convenient
> video/audio chatting tool that can be advocated as a standard?
> Skype is a problem, hands down. But people will continue to use it,
> particularly in situations they see as nonthreatening (rightly and wrongly)
> because it is convenient and maintains weight in the marketplace.
> This is a long way of asking, is Goohke Hangout functionally better? Is
> anything else? Or, how do we get someone to develop a convenient p2p
> chatting tool that is also pleasurable to use?
> B
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