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[liberationtech] Cryptocat Censored in China

Nadim Kobeissi nadim at
Sun Dec 23 00:43:19 PST 2012

Hi Martin,
Thanks for the explanation, and thanks for everyone else for testing. I
guess this was a false positive!

I'll post a clarification that, at worst, this is just throttling.


On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Martin Johnson <greatfire at>wrote:

> Hi all,
> I'm the founder of Let me try to explain how we run our
> tests. I'd very much like to get your feedback on how our system can become
> more accurate and transparent.
> The two URLs being tested can be viewed here:
> Both pages state that the URLs are "x% restricted in China" but "0%
> blocked". Next to the "Otherwise restricted" label, there's a link to
> "Throttling" explaining our definition which in turn refers to
> A throttled websites
> is slow but not blocked. Labeling it as throttled also suggests that it's
> intentionally slow, which we cannot prove. A lot of foreign websites are
> slow in China, but there are big differences. For example, we strongly
> suspect that GMail and other Google services are actively throttled, to
> discourage people from using them. Other websites could simply be slow
> because of where they are hosted and the speed from China to that web host.
> On our test pages, if you click on any date in the calendar, you can view
> our detailed test data. You can for example see that the "Host IPs" for
> returned when tested from the US and different locations in
> China are the same. You can also verify the HTML title and the download
> size, etc.
> is not blocked in China now, but if it becomes popular, it will
> most likely be blocked. If they use DNS poisoning you'd have to setup
> mirror websites. If they block the IP, however, you can rotate the IP
> addresses to get around it. We offer a service that does this at
> and we'd be happy to help you reach as many users
> as possible in China.
> Feedback very welcome.
> Martin Johnson
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> On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 1:04 AM, Joss Wright <
> joss-liberationtech at> wrote:
>> On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 05:48:34PM +0100, Ralph Holz wrote:
>> >
>> > PS: While I was at it, I checked the current DNS rewriting for
>> > It still points to a Korean IP.
>> Some of the more fun DNS poisoning in my experiments[1] were >=15
>> apparently unrelated servers across China all redirecting
>> to '' or '', and a separate set redirecting
>> to ''.
>> A New Scientist journalist wrote up that work[2] and contacted both
>> sites. Tony Castro[3] instantly threatened to sue everyone in sight for
>> implying that he was a Chinese sleeper agent. The Pet Club webmaster had
>> noticed the Chinese traffic and was interested to know where it had come
>> from. :) (I suggested setting up a few China-focused pay-per-view
>> adverts.)
>> Joss
>> [1]
>> [1b<>]
>> [2]
>> registration.)
>> [3] (A life story worth Googling...)
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