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[liberationtech] Modern FIDONET for net disable countries?

Ronald Deibert r.deibert at
Mon Dec 31 06:19:47 PST 2012


Just to add to the data and conversation, we (Citizen Lab as part of our contribution to the ONI Project)
did a few recent updates to our reports on Ethiopia, Vietnam, and Burma.  These reports and the results are presented here:

An earlier report of the Citizen Lab also confirmed Blue Coat devices in use in Burma here:


On 2012-12-31, at 8:45 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:

> Eric S Johnson:
>> For the record, Burma/Myanmar (MM) has very little cybercensorship
>> now (the previous censorship started loosening up in about August
>> 2011 and was basically—not entirely, but mostly—dropped by the end of
>> October 2011).
> Hi,
> I've just returned from Burma in the last month.
> There is total surveillance in Burma on the commercial YTP ISP. They
> censor plenty of sites and their BlueCoat proxy devices fail to deliver
> content for unblocked sites often. The other networks seem rather under
> surveillance as well and they also have censorship.
> We (OONI) have data from my trip there and it includes all of the major
> networks. We'll write it up and publish all of it soon.
>> I’ve been visiting MM since the mid-aughts and have never encountered
>> FidoNet there. Haven’t seen it since Africa, mid-nineties. But that
>> doesn’t mean it wasn’t/isn’t there.
> I haven't seen FidoNet but I did see lots of WiMax, VSAT, GSM/CDMA and
> even some discussion of X.25, etc.
>> (Vietnam still has a measurable amount of online censorship, but it’s
>> not nearly as heavy-handed as China’s or Iran’s. It’s more like
>> Ethiopia’s.
> Ethiopia has extremely sophisticated censorship:
>> Some of Cambodia’s ~30 ISPs censor a half-dozen sites, but that’s
>> hardly serious (the largest, Vietnamese-controlled, ISP doesn’t!).)
> The serious problem is the infrastructure even if today it is only used
> on a few sites.
> All the best,
> Jake
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Ronald Deibert
Director, the Citizen Lab 
and the Canada Centre for Global Security Studies
Munk School of Global Affairs
University of Toronto
(416) 946-8916
r.deibert at

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