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[liberationtech] google follows twitter

Frank Corrigan email at franciscorrigan.com
Fri Feb 3 03:42:42 PST 2012


What if the likes of gmail end up with country specific domain names...

gmail.in
gmail.co.uk

http://blog.arpitnext.com/2010/07/gmail-skype-blackberry-ban-in-india.html

etc etc

Frank

----- Original message -----
From: "Maira Sutton" <maira.sutton at gmail.com>
To: "James Losey" <jameswlosey at gmail.com>
Cc: "Liberation Technologies" <liberationtech at lists.stanford.edu>
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 18:31:12 -0800
Subject: Re: [liberationtech] google follows twitter

Hey there,

I understand that ccTLD redirection addresses the jurisdictional issue,
but
if individuals can still go to a site by using the NCR URL, what's the
point in doing it all?  States that want Google to censor in the first
place will quickly realize that there's this loophole that still allow
people to access blocked content. At that point won't they just pressure
Google to remove the option of accessing blogs through the NCR URL?

Maira

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On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 6:17 PM, James Losey <jameswlosey at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Craig and Robert for your responses.
>
> This sounds like an opportunity to define a best practice on how
> international companies approach multi-jurisdictional restrictions as well
> as how users can proactively circumvent the restrictions of their given
> country. Has anyone been pursuing this, or planning to post about this?
>
> J
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Robert Guerra <rguerra at privaterra.org
> >wrote:
>
> > James, yes - with simple techniques - users can disable content being
> > blocked in their country. However, user needs to be proactive.
> >
> > I see the ccTLD redirection as opening other jurisdictional issues. I
> > prefer the twitter approach..
> >
> > Will be interesting to see if national authorities that require content
> to
> > be blocked will also require intermediaries to disable user configurable
> > circumvention techniques - such as setting cookies and/or country
> settings .
> >
> > Robert
> >
> >
> > --
> > R. Guerra
> > Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081
> > Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom
> > Email: rguerra at privaterra.org
> >
> > On 2012-02-02, at 8:49 PM, Craig Blaha wrote:
> >
> > > Hi James,
> > >
> > > Google offers some advice:
> > >
> > > If you visit a blog that does not correspond to your current location
> as
> > > determined by your IP address, the blogspot servers will redirect you
> to
> > > the domain associated with your country, if it’s a supported ccTLD.
> > >
> > > Blog readers may request a specific country version of the blogspot
> > content
> > > by entering a specially formatted “NCR” URL.
> > >
> > > NCR stands for “No Country Redirect” and will always display
> > > buzz.blogger.com in English, whether you’re in India, Brazil,
> Honduras,
> > > Germany, or anywhere.
> > >
> > > For example: http://[blogname].blogspot.com/ncr – always goes to the
> > U.S.
> > > English blog.
> > >
> > > This special URL sets a short-lived cookie (session and/or a short life
> > > time) that will prevent geo-based redirection from the requested
> domain.
> > > This applies to all web browsers and all Operating Systems.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Craig
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 7:23 PM, James Losey <jameswlosey at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Robert and Jillian,
> > >>
> > >> Thanks you both for your input. If I understand correctly, Twitter
> has a
> > >> bit of a "wink wink nudge nudge <
> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ona-RhLfRfc>"
> > >> suggestion that if users can pretend they are in another country then
> > their
> > >> tweets have a significantly greater likely hood of not being censored
> by
> > >> said country. But if Google users are now being assigned to the
> > appropriate
> > >> ccTLD is this a new priority to institute geographic identification
> and
> > are
> > >> there reasonably easy ways to circumvent?
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >> J
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Robert Guerra <rguerra at privaterra.org
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Jillian,
> > >>>
> > >>> Yes Google has been dealing with content (ie. blocking) on a per
> > country
> > >>> basis for a while.  what is new is that they will now direct users to
> > >> their
> > >>> Country Code Top Level Domains (ccTLD)'s. In so doing they are moving
> > the
> > >>> user to the jurisdiction of the ccTLD operator - and any legal
> > framework,
> > >>> requirements and/or other regulations that they may have.
> > >>>
> > >>> So the user is being brought closer to a national level authority,
> > >>> something which wasn't the case before.
> > >>>
> > >>> Robert
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> R. Guerra
> > >>> Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081
> > >>> Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom
> > >>> Email: rguerra at privaterra.org
> > >>>
> > >>> On 2012-02-02, at 6:45 PM, Jillian C. York wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Sort of...Google has been managing content removal on a per-country
> > >> basis
> > >>>> for YouTube for awhile now, if I recall.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Eric S Johnson <
> > >> crates at oneotaslopes.org
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> "Migrating to localized domains will allow us to continue promoting
> > >> free
> > >>>>> expression and responsible publishing while providing greater
> > >>> flexibility
> > >>>>> in
> > >>>>> complying with valid removal requests pursuant to local law. By
> > >>> utilizing
> > >>>>> ccTLDs, content removals can be managed on a per country basis,
> which
> > >>> will
> > >>>>> limit their impact to the smallest number of readers. Content
> removed
> > >>> due
> > >>>>> to
> > >>>>> a specific country's law will only be removed from the relevant
> > >> ccTLD."
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://support.google.com/blogger/bin/answer.py?hl=en
> > >>>>> <
> > http://support.google.com/blogger/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=2402711
> > >>>
> > >>>>> &answer=2402711
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