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[liberationtech] TOMORROW: The Legality of Drone Warfare with UN Special Rapporteur Richard Falk (Free Thai Lunch!)

Soenke Zehle s.zehle at xmlab.org
Tue Feb 7 01:22:36 PST 2012


Hi Ale,

as far as I know the attempt to translate free software ethics into an
open hardware standard has already been made http://www.ohanda.org but
last I checked none of the open source uav projects had registered its
hardware there, maybe that'd be a way to advance this debate?

Soenke
xmlab.org

2012/2/7 Ale Fernandez <skoria at gmail.com>:
> Hi,
>
>
> On 06/02/12 17:33, Brian Conley wrote:
>> Please let us know if there is a recording!
>> On Feb 6, 2012 12:28 AM, "Yosem Companys"<companys at stanford.edu>  wrote:
>>
>
> (snip)
>
>
>>> and Pakistan. Are drones legal though? Should questions of legality drive
>>> US military policy?
>>>
>
> Rather than "are they legal" I think the question should be - how we can put
> an absolute stop to all robot violence! It seems completely wrong just out
> of common sense for them to do what they seem to be doing, as seen almost
> every day - here is one from yesterday:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cei0pvyIqx8
>
> Being able to create something that might one day be indistinguishable from
> life is a huge responsibility. After just working around electronics in a
> hackerspace for a year I don't have much experience in robotics, but enough
> to say these things are very very limited if used only for war/"defence", or
> controlled by the army, as arpanet was before it became the internet.
>
> We are possibly even creating our own successors today - all these UAVs as
> well as the whole spectrum of mechanical creatures that do things we can't
> do, or can survive in climates we couldn't ever hope to, and are slowly
> gaining the ability to act autonomously, repair and reproduce themselves
> etc. It seems to me that if they are really going to be more and more part
> of our lives we should want these machines to be peaceful, and to be able to
> have access to some basic freedoms.
>
> Like Stallman did in the 80s for software we should be figuring out today
> some more up to date "Asimov laws" for robot freedoms: such as the freedom
> not to be manufactured unethically, using closed proprietary plans or for
> secret, murderous purposes. I would add a legal framework to make the
> industry and war machinery directly responsible for crimes a robot commits
> on their behalf. Like with the GNU project and free software movement I
> think there should be an effort to get people making these open hardware,
> ethical drones all the more and realising that it's within a lot of people's
> reach to build peaceful/non violent UAVs transparently and use them for
> positive purposes.
>
> Ale
>
>
>
>
>>>  Richard Falk, the former Albert G. Milbank Emeritus Professor of
>>> International Law and Practice at Princeton University, has served since
>>> 2008 as the United Nations Special Rapporteur for "the situation of human
>>> rights in the Palestinian territories since 1967." He has authored over
>>> twenty books on international law and politics, focusing on core issues
>>> at
>>> the intersection of law, human rights, and war, was a member of the
>>> Independent International Commission on Kosovo (1999-2001), and is
>>> currently a Visiting Distinguished Professor at the University of
>>> California at Santa Barbara.
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