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[liberationtech] Assange's claim about Tor losing US government support due to WikiLeaks
rohandixit86 at gmail.com
Sun Feb 19 14:53:14 PST 2012
Thanks for the clarification, Andrew. It's dicey navigating the politics of
grant funding in a quasi-public forum like this one, but thanks for the
As a disclaimer, I'm completely out of the loop (nor was I ever in it,
actually) but I'd guess the federal government believes organizations like
Wikileaks are not in their long-term interests. Given the
political-economic context this is all happening in, it doesn't seem
entirely implausible that grant committees look more favorably on
non-controversial applicants. Whether or not that's the case here is
By chance, I had the opportunity to read a paper on Cryptome purported to
come from Mr. Assange. He describes a conspiratorial government as a
connected network, with "leaks" (a la Wikileaks) as methods of making links
between the network harder to effectively form and communicate across. I
wonder if anyone has any thoughts on it. It seemed to me that the logical
consequence of this idea is a completely open surveillance of all members
of government, i.e. "sousveillance" (sous- below) as opposed to
"surveillance" (surv- spying from "above"). It's curious that things like
releasing candidates' tax records, and the larger and larger public
scrutiny of politicians generally, shows that this process is happening
Here's a link to the Cryptome PDF:
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 12:28 PM, SiNA <sina.rabbani at gmail.com> wrote:
> can you explain why this news is such a big deal? who cares what cryptom
> Why do so many people hate Jake and Tor?
> On Feb 19, 2012 10:41 AM, "Evgeny Morozov" <evgeny.morozov at gmail.com>
>> Those of you who've read Assange's recent interview with The Rolling
>> Stone<http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/julian-assange-the-rolling-stone-interview-20120118?print=true>may have noticed this claim (in response to a question about forms of
>> pressure that US government exerted on WikiLeaks and their supporters):
>> The Tor Project, which protects people around the world from being spied
>>> on or censored, lost some $600,000 to the U.S. government, as a result of
>>> one of their people, Jacob Appelbaum, having filled in for me once at a
>>> conference in New York. This type of indirect pressure has been applied to
>>> a great many people.
>> I was a bit puzzled by it. So were people at Cryptome<http://cryptome.org/2012/01/0053.htm>,
>> who asked Tor about it. Here is what Andrew Lewman (who's on this list)
>> wrote to them:
>> I read this statement as well. It is news to me that we were penalized
>> for Jacob. Maybe wikileaks has unreleased information from one of our
>> USG funders. If so, they should publish it for all to review.
>> Now, Andrew's statement is carefully worded, i.e. it does allow for the
>> possibility that Tor lost the USG money but they think it was not
>> So it would be good to know whether a) Tor did lose some or all of USG
>> support between late 2010 and early 2012? and b) there is any evidence
>> to link this to WL, as Assange did?
>> Whatever the motivation, USG cutting support to circumvention tools is a
>> big news item all in itself, regardless of the link to Assange. I wonder
>> why it wasn't more widely reported, if true - perhaps, by Tor project
>> itself?- because ultimately this would all be visible on Tor's financial
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