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[liberationtech] Finfisher Spy Kit Revealed in Bahrain

Pavol Luptak wilder at
Sat Jul 28 15:37:15 PDT 2012

On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 08:40:33PM +0000, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
> Likewise, the free market has yet to deal with Cisco, EMC, and the myrid
> of companies like Nokia Siemens, Huawei and others who directly sell
> surveillance, censorship and outright tracking systems. The "market" has
> rewarded Cisco for their efforts with the Golden Shield project. This is
> even after Cisco was caught red handed advertising it for use in hunting
> down unwanted (religious) groups of people.

Of course I really don't like this situation. But I am not sure if any 
draconian government's laws against these corporations would work.

> I don't believe that export controls or total absolute sanctions are the
> right path forward. Rather, we should hold these companies to account
> for their actions _in the US and Europe_ where they would not be
> reasonable, legal or ethical. Specifically when they do this for a
> profit and disregard the impact on society as a whole - something most
> of these companies are doing without even a slight regard for human life.

Definitely. And propagation of all information about these "bad companies"
(e.g. I really like
I try to choose my network vendor according to the information in this 
document and also recommend this list to many my friends/customers.

Maybe I am completely out of reality, but still think that the "pressure" 
against these bad corporations should be made primarily by people (human 
activists/organizations, potential/real customers of these corporations, etc.),
not governments. Because it's a primary ethical problem, then the legal one.

[wilder at] [] [talker: 5678]
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