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[liberationtech] About syria and western intervention

Andrew Lewis andrew at pdqvpn.com
Thu Mar 15 08:01:04 PDT 2012


Because I speak to Syrians on the ground in Syria who tell a widely different tale. There maybe some bias in western and non-Syrian Arabs, but at the same time there are activists that put themselves at risk everyday to get the story out, and from what I've seen it is a crime against humanity. 

-Andrew


On Mar 15, 2012, at 2:48 PM, "Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)" <lists at infosecurity.ch> wrote:

> Past week i've been in Qatar for work and i deeply spoke with a syrian
> friend living there.
> 
> I got an interesting point of view, from a 28 year syrian person that
> don't like assad but that love his country.
> 
> To make a long story short he said "Why all you western ppl, along with
> this infamous country (qatar) are interfering with us? You are making
> propaganda! You are arming our ppl to cause a civil war!" .
> 
> He was basically insisting on the fact that the revolt in syria are
> mainly triggered and keep sustained from abroad syria and that's unfair.
> 
> It has been quite difficult for me to sustain that "ppl abroad want to
> help syrian ppl".
> 
> His motivation and his concept in insisting that we (the western
> countries) are the main cause of the revolt by making propaganda and by
> arming local people have to be really considered.
> 
> Aren't we just part of a big manipulation of the "Democracy Export
> Machinery" ?
> 
> Who really know out of the 22mln ppl living in syria what people really
> want?
> 
> We justify our action because we say that "assad" is a bad guy but what
> do we really know directly, a part from being "part of a propaganda
> machine", what most people think in syria?
> 
> Aren't we just part of this "big mess" of manipulation?
> 
> I don't really feel comfortable in justifying all that "proactive"
> actions from western subjects (both governatives and non-governatives)
> on other country.
> 
> I'm not saying what's ok and what's not ok, but for sure all that
> "activism world" is working "closely" and in a "fully-alligned" way with
> the western country agencies that are operating on military and foreign
> intelligence actions for a political goal, that's to subvert assad
> government.
> 
> Many activists organization receive funds from budgets that 20 years ago
> would had been given to CIA.
> 
> Aren't most "activits organization" playing the unconscious
> crowd-sourcing of CIA operations in doing their "Psyop", their
> "Propaganda", their "Tactical support" ?
> 
> In that sense i'm really scared that all of us, working on the "hype of
> making a good things", very often are not making a good thing.
> 
> -naif
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