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[liberationtech] Drones are not storytellers or why Syrians need better storytelling was Re: Pirate Bay turns to drones

KheOps kheops at ceops.eu
Fri Mar 23 13:41:55 PDT 2012


Hey, quick answer. Some Damascus inhabittants already use drones in a
successful manner and all Syrians I talked to told me it would be a good
idea.

It can't be bad that they have them. They will have the choice not to
use them if they think it is not good.

On 03/23/2012 05:49 PM, Brian Conley wrote:
> Not only the development costs, but the litigation/jail time costs as
> well are a huge issue with more innovative applications of drone tech.
> 
> Further, the idea of implementing drones in Syria first of all is a huge
> safety risk, and could fundamentally change the perception of an already
> hostile regime to encourage increasingly worse actions.
> 
> Secondly, the drones for human rights stuff all forgets a fundamental
> issue, people care about stories, not grainy footage, unless the crimes
> are so enormous, and even then they don't encourage action nor do they
> help inform outsiders what exactly Syrians want or need.
> 
> For example, there is a fundamental difference between videos like these
> that Iraqis we worked with in Baghdad were producing years ago:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVib2fMtP1w
> 
> http://www.aliveinbaghdad.org/2008/07/28/al-sahwa-mistakes-in-adhamiya/
> 
> http://www.aliveinbaghdad.org/2007/10/08/us-military-destroys-iraqi-homes-by-mistake/
> 
> ...and shaky content and long range images of what often may or may not
> be the "heinous crimes" individuals claim.
> 
> see this video for example:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kQMSkdo_jc&feature=player_embedded
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kQMSkdo_jc&feature=player_embedded>
> 
> I think its pretty clear why more efforts are not being made to more
> effectively and repeatedly tell the stories of individual refugees and
> people who have lost homes and loved ones. The people documenting are
> most often men, and as a man who has had the same problem myself when
> documenting police violence, war, etc, we too often resort to
> documenting horrible events, both because we are shocked and because
> that involves an adrenaline rush and provides its own sort of benefit to
> us as individuals, and leaves beside the wayside any review of whether
> this content is really moving minds or pushing forward a liberation agenda.
> 
> As a trainer who has worked with individuals all over the world in
> conflict areas and the developing world, I have found that women are the
> best trainees, followed closely by older men. Young people are often too
> caught up in the moment and the injustice of it all to more effectively
> document or listen to recommendations about composition, pacing, etc. I
> guess this is a bit off-topic, but after spending a long time in a
> fairly pointless discussion with a man from Hama about this subject last
> night, I felt the need to mention it here.
> 
> I'm still trying to sort out exactly why I think the idea of drones as
> human rights documentation may make sense, but it certainly cannot
> replace storytelling or investigative reporting.
> 
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Andrew Lewis <andrew at pdqvpn.com
> <mailto:andrew at pdqvpn.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Yes, telecomix is looking at drones, and really the proposal by TPB
>     is outlandish to current drone builders/operators, but most of the
>     limitations seem to be artificially limited technical issues that no
>     one has thought past due to limitations by US/UK/EU regulations. If
>     you disregard these rules, long range drones are well within the
>     realm of possibility. I think an open source drone program is
>     possible, if people are willing to commit the resources and accept
>     the overall development costs.
> 
>     Andrew Lewis
>     Twitter: ThePunkbob
> 
>     Sent from my iPhone
> 
>     On Mar 23, 2012, at 4:53 PM, KheOps <kheops at ceops.eu
>     <mailto:kheops at ceops.eu>> wrote:
> 
>     > Indeed, we're working on drones to film and livestream stuff in
>     hostile
>     > environment such as Syria :) Will keep you posted if something
>     concrete
>     > is somehow produced :)
>     >
>     > On 03/23/2012 04:57 PM, David Johnson wrote:
>     >> It sounded ridiculous, but ideas can come from jokes.
>     >>
>     >> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:48 AM, KheOps <kheops at ceops.eu
>     <mailto:kheops at ceops.eu>
>     >> <mailto:kheops at ceops.eu <mailto:kheops at ceops.eu>>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>    This is a joke - at least according to tetsu0, one of the TPB
>     folks :)
>     >>
>     >>    On 03/23/2012 04:44 PM, David Johnson wrote:
>     >>> http://thepiratebay.se/blog/210
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>      /TPB LOSS/
>     >>>
>     >>> /We were down a few hours earlier today. There's no need to
>     worry, we
>     >>> haven't been raided this time. We're only upgrading stuff since
>     we're
>     >>> still growing./
>     >>>
>     >>> /One of the technical things we always optimize is where to put our
>     >>> front machines. They are the ones that re-direct your traffic to a
>     >>> secret location. We have now decided to try to build something
>     >>> extraordinary./
>     >>>
>     >>> /With the development of GPS controlled drones, far-reaching cheap
>     >>    radio
>     >>> equipment and tiny new computers like the Raspberry Pi
>     >>> <http://www.raspberrypi.org/>, we're going to experiment with
>     sending
>     >>> out some small drones that will float some kilometers up in the air.
>     >>> This way our machines will have to be shut down with aeroplanes in
>     >>    order
>     >>> to shut down the system. A real act of war./
>     >>>
>     >>> /We're just starting so we haven't figured everything out yet.
>     But we
>     >>> can't limit ourselves to hosting things just on land anymore.
>     >>    These Low
>     >>> Orbit Server Stations (LOSS) are just the first attempt. With modern
>     >>> radio transmitters we can get over 100Mbps per node up to 50km
>     >>    away. For
>     >>> the proxy system we're building, that's more than enough./
>     >>>
>     >>> /But when time comes we will host in all parts of the galaxy,
>     >>    being true
>     >>> to our slogan of being the galaxy's most resilient system. And
>     all of
>     >>> the parts we'll use to build //that system on will be downloadable./
>     >>>
>     >>>
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