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[liberationtech] Avaaz, is this for real?

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Fri May 4 10:18:08 PDT 2012

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While it is a small detail its important - DDoS attacks are mounted in a different way to a DoS attack. From the vague wording on the Avaaz site it sounds like a DDoS attack, but since there is no evidence it is not possible to make 

The wording of the article on Avaaz website is very non-descript and frankly very smoke and mirrors:

"under massive attack"
"is likely coming from a government or large corporation"
"massive, simultaneous and sophisticated assaults from across the world to take down our site"
"top-notch security, our site is still up, but it's not enough"
"take our security to the next level"

Surely the security expert would want to detail the attack. A comparison to articles from organisations and companies such as Opennet and Renesys show to difference in detail given.


On 4 May 2012, at 18:00, Steve Weis wrote:

> Hello Andrew. Your article asserts that this attack is happening as fact, yet you say that Avaaz did not provide any additional information. Which sources and evidence did you base your article on besides Avaaz's own press release?
> Claims of a "massive attack" are easy to confirm. Avaaz should be able to provide detailed logs of the attack, which can be verified by an independent security professional and corroborated by their hosting providers.
> If this does turn out to be a targeted denial of service attack, that certainly doesn't take real expertise or significant resources -- it's cheap to rent a botnet. It's a big leap to claim that a state actor or large corporation must be behind it.
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Andrew Couts <andrew_couts at> wrote:
> Hi - I'm the author of that Digital Trends article. I have repeatedly asked Avaaz for more information about the attack, and they have either said "We'll know more soon," or completely ignored me. I believe there is simply not enough information available yet to make accusations of fraud in the press. But I am doing my best to get answers about exactly this. I'll send out an update if they respond.
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