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[liberationtech] Avaaz, is this for real?

Andrew Lewis andrew at pdqvpn.com
Fri May 4 17:36:25 PDT 2012


If it is 33K separate sources of funding it means that they need to be transparent even more then before. Being opaque at this time has the possibility to cast a large shadow of distrust upon the entire community in the future. While I empathize the need desire for security and confidentiality, but I think the solicitation of emergency funding adds the moral requirement to be as transparent as possible about what happened. Otherwise Avaaz is positioning itself to eventually become Chicken Little. 


As a practical question, does anyone know if this is Avaaz's first DDoS or Cybersecurity incident? 

-Andrew



On May 4, 2012, at 8:24 PM, Jillian C. York wrote:

> Unless those 33,000 individual donations were less than $1 each, I don't really see what you're getting at.
> 
> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Shaun Wilde <s.wilde.libtech at gmail.com> wrote:
> Clarification. That's 33,000 individual donations. Not $33k. That should get them started.
> -sw
> 
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Dave Karpf <davekarpf at gmail.com> wrote:
> Agreed that that's what makes it importantly different. This wasn't the Comm department responding to reporters, it was an active fundraising ask.
> 
> I'm withholding judgment for the moment, but sincerely hope the Avaaz folks will be more open with the tech experts on this list. At the moment, this looks a LOT like a crass fundraising ploy. If so, I personally would lose a lot of respect for the org.
> 
> DK
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
> 
> On May 4, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Okhin <okhin at okhin.fr> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 4 May 2012 15:48:35 -0400
> > Sahar Massachi <Sahar at brandeis.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm a bit concerned about all the muttering about Avaaz's sensationalism.
> >>
> >> Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding something, but the following
> >> scenario seems pretty plausible to me:
> >>
> >> The Avaaz site comes under some sort of attack. The tech team at Avaaz
> >> gives a quick "idiots guide" to what's going on to their communications
> >> team, and then goes back to trying to deal with the problem. The
> >> communications team has a partially confused understanding of exactly
> >> what's going on, but tries to deal with the situation as best they can.
> >> When technically minded journalists want to talk to Avaaz, the
> >> communications staff doesn't want to bother their still-hard-at-work tech
> >> team, so they give unsatisfying, vague, and unhelpful replies to these
> >> journalists".
> >>
> >> Am I missing something?
> >>
> >
> > Yeah, they started a funding campaign to fight the attack and, while
> > the attack has stopped (according to their claim), it's still open and
> > their goal is 35k$ (and they're at 33k$)for what?
> > https://secure.avaaz.org/en/massive_attack_on_avaaz_a/?fp
> >
> > Next time I've got a spam bot raiding my corporate network, I'll ask this amount of money to my boss. Just to see he's face.
> >
> > Okhin
> >
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