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[liberationtech] Avaaz, is this for real?

Joanne sabzbrach at gmail.com
Fri May 4 19:28:49 PDT 2012


Andrew,

I seem to remember them claiming DDoS last year, blaming China for retaliating against a petition for Wei-Wei. 

-Joanne

Sent from my iPhone

On May 4, 2012, at 7:36 PM, Andrew Lewis <andrew at pdqvpn.com> wrote:

> If it is 33K separate sources of funding it means that they need to be transparent even more then before. Being opaque at this time has the possibility to cast a large shadow of distrust upon the entire community in the future. While I empathize the need desire for security and confidentiality, but I think the solicitation of emergency funding adds the moral requirement to be as transparent as possible about what happened. Otherwise Avaaz is positioning itself to eventually become Chicken Little. 
> 
> 
> As a practical question, does anyone know if this is Avaaz's first DDoS or Cybersecurity incident? 
> 
> -Andrew
> 
> 
> 
> On May 4, 2012, at 8:24 PM, Jillian C. York wrote:
> 
>> Unless those 33,000 individual donations were less than $1 each, I don't really see what you're getting at.
>> 
>> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Shaun Wilde <s.wilde.libtech at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Clarification. That's 33,000 individual donations. Not $33k. That should get them started.
>> -sw
>> 
>> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Dave Karpf <davekarpf at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Agreed that that's what makes it importantly different. This wasn't the Comm department responding to reporters, it was an active fundraising ask.
>> 
>> I'm withholding judgment for the moment, but sincerely hope the Avaaz folks will be more open with the tech experts on this list. At the moment, this looks a LOT like a crass fundraising ploy. If so, I personally would lose a lot of respect for the org.
>> 
>> DK
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 4, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Okhin <okhin at okhin.fr> wrote:
>> 
>> > On Fri, 4 May 2012 15:48:35 -0400
>> > Sahar Massachi <Sahar at brandeis.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'm a bit concerned about all the muttering about Avaaz's sensationalism.
>> >>
>> >> Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding something, but the following
>> >> scenario seems pretty plausible to me:
>> >>
>> >> The Avaaz site comes under some sort of attack. The tech team at Avaaz
>> >> gives a quick "idiots guide" to what's going on to their communications
>> >> team, and then goes back to trying to deal with the problem. The
>> >> communications team has a partially confused understanding of exactly
>> >> what's going on, but tries to deal with the situation as best they can.
>> >> When technically minded journalists want to talk to Avaaz, the
>> >> communications staff doesn't want to bother their still-hard-at-work tech
>> >> team, so they give unsatisfying, vague, and unhelpful replies to these
>> >> journalists".
>> >>
>> >> Am I missing something?
>> >>
>> >
>> > Yeah, they started a funding campaign to fight the attack and, while
>> > the attack has stopped (according to their claim), it's still open and
>> > their goal is 35k$ (and they're at 33k$)for what?
>> > https://secure.avaaz.org/en/massive_attack_on_avaaz_a/?fp
>> >
>> > Next time I've got a spam bot raiding my corporate network, I'll ask this amount of money to my boss. Just to see he's face.
>> >
>> > Okhin
>> >
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