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[liberationtech] Avaaz, is this for real?

Greg Norcie greg at norcie.com
Fri May 4 22:44:37 PDT 2012


I agree wirth Erik. We should not speculate, and base any evaluations 
on hard facts.

Which means we should take everything with a grain of salt until data 
such as originating IPs, the number of participants in the alleged 
DDoS, amount of bandwidth consumed, etc has been provided.This means 
not making negative comments, but also not making positive ones - the 
burden of proof is on Avaaz at this point.

--
Greg Norcie (greg at norcie.com)
GPG key: 0x1B873635

On Fri May  4 22:33:24 2012, Erik Sundelof wrote:
> I do not know any background of this nor am I in any way linked to the
> issue/concern at hand, but some general projection rules here are
> needed. Especially since I have started to see random numbers thrown
> around which is contraproductive in any way, shape or form.
>
> Throwing out $500k as a result of 35k donations is just
> unfounded. Just for clarity here do check my background as far as
> donation flows and crowdsourcing.
>
> I really personally want the discussion about the issue/concern at
> hand to stay away from splitting hairs and throwing random numbers
> around. It is not constructive and also will defocus the discussion
> from what it should be all about.
>
> Apologies if I come across as too direct but let us together keep the
> discussion on-point and fair, as well as staying clear from thowing
> arbitrary and unfounded statements around.
>
> Erik
>
> http://sundelof.com
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 4, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Shaun Wilde <s.wilde.libtech at gmail.com
> <mailto:s.wilde.libtech at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Was clarifying Okhin's musing about what their goal of 35k$ was for.
>> Their goal is 35,000 /donations/.  Likely to the tune of... who
>> knows. $500,000? If we're wondering what they'd do with 35k$, an even
>> more interesting brainstorm is what they'll do with 500k$. Hard to
>> know without knowing anything about the attack--except that it was
>> massive.
>> /-sw
>>
>> /
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 12:24 AM, Jillian C. York
>> <jilliancyork at gmail.com <mailto:jilliancyork at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Unless those 33,000 individual donations were less than $1 each,
>>     I don't really see what you're getting at.
>>
>>
>>     On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Shaun Wilde
>>     <s.wilde.libtech at gmail.com <mailto:s.wilde.libtech at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Clarification. That's 33,000 /individual donations. /Not
>>         $33k. That should get them started.
>>         -sw
>>
>>         On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Dave
>>         Karpf <davekarpf at gmail.com <mailto:davekarpf at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>         Agreed that that's what makes it importantly different. This
>>         wasn't the Comm department responding to reporters, it was an
>>         active fundraising ask.
>>
>>         I'm withholding judgment for the moment, but sincerely hope
>>         the Avaaz folks will be more open with the tech experts on
>>         this list. At the moment, this looks a LOT like a crass
>>         fundraising ploy. If so, I personally would lose a lot of
>>         respect for the org.
>>
>>         DK
>>
>>         Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>>
>>         On May 4, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Okhin <okhin at okhin.fr
>>         <mailto:okhin at okhin.fr>> wrote:
>>
>>         > On Fri, 4 May 2012 15:48:35 -0400
>>         > Sahar Massachi <Sahar at brandeis.edu
>>         <mailto:Sahar at brandeis.edu>> wrote:
>>         >
>>         >> I'm a bit concerned about all the muttering about Avaaz's
>>         sensationalism.
>>         >>
>>         >> Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding something, but
>>         the following
>>         >> scenario seems pretty plausible to me:
>>         >>
>>         >> The Avaaz site comes under some sort of attack. The tech
>>         team at Avaaz
>>         >> gives a quick "idiots guide" to what's going on to their
>>         communications
>>         >> team, and then goes back to trying to deal with the
>>         problem. The
>>         >> communications team has a partially confused understanding
>>         of exactly
>>         >> what's going on, but tries to deal with the situation as
>>         best they can.
>>         >> When technically minded journalists want to talk to Avaaz, the
>>         >> communications staff doesn't want to bother their
>>         still-hard-at-work tech
>>         >> team, so they give unsatisfying, vague, and unhelpful
>>         replies to these
>>         >> journalists".
>>         >>
>>         >> Am I missing something?
>>         >>
>>         >
>>         > Yeah, they started a funding campaign to fight the attack
>>         and, while
>>         > the attack has stopped (according to their claim), it's
>>         still open and
>>         > their goal is 35k$ (and they're at 33k$)for what?
>>         > https://secure.avaaz.org/en/massive_attack_on_avaaz_a/?fp
>>         >
>>         > Next time I've got a spam bot raiding my corporate network,
>>         I'll ask this amount of money to my boss. Just to see he's face.
>>         >
>>         > Okhin
>>         >
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