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[liberationtech] Avaaz, is this for real?

Robert Guerra rguerra at privaterra.org
Sat May 5 15:18:19 PDT 2012


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Sent from a mobile device.  Apologies for typos or brevity.

On 2012-05-05, at 4:52 PM, Marcin de Kaminski <marcin at dekaminski.se> wrote:

Thank you, Yvette.

That statement still does not explain why the donation is needed (since
their system could stand the attack).

Marcin

Yvette Alberdingkthijm <yvette at witness.org> skrev:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Ricken Patel, who heads up Avaaz, asked me to post this on this list (as I
> brought the discussion to his attention) and here is what he said:
>
> It's a statement quoting the CEO of our hosting company. Would you mind
> posting it to that discussion or asking someone to? I'm not part of it -
>
> https://secure.avaaz.org/act/media.php?press_id=321
>
>
> YAT
>
> Yvette J. Alberdingk Thijm
> Executive Director
> WITNESS
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>
>
> When elephants fight, the grass suffers
>
> On May 4, 2012, at 10:33 PM, Erik Sundelof wrote:
>
> I do not know any background of this nor am I in any way linked to the
> issue/concern at hand, but some general projection rules here are needed.
> Especially since I have started to see random numbers thrown around which
> is contraproductive in any way, shape or form.
>
> Throwing out $500k as a result of 35k donations is just unfounded. Just
> for clarity here do check my background as far as donation flows and
> crowdsourcing.
>
> I really personally want the discussion about the issue/concern at hand to
> stay away from splitting hairs and throwing random numbers around. It is
> not constructive and also will defocus the discussion from what it should
> be all about.
>
> Apologies if I come across as too direct but let us together keep the
> discussion on-point and fair, as well as staying clear from thowing
> arbitrary and unfounded statements around.
>
> Erik
>
> http://sundelof.com
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 4, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Shaun Wilde <s.wilde.libtech at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Was clarifying Okhin's musing about what their goal of 35k$ was for. Their
> goal is 35,000 *donations*.  Likely to the tune of... who knows.
> $500,000? If we're wondering what they'd do with 35k$, an even more
> interesting brainstorm is what they'll do with 500k$. Hard to know without
> knowing anything about the attack--except that it was massive.
> *-sw
>
> *
>
>
> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 12:24 AM, Jillian C. York <jilliancyork at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Unless those 33,000 individual donations were less than $1 each, I don't
>> really see what you're getting at.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Shaun Wilde <s.wilde.libtech at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Clarification. That's 33,000 *individual donations. *Not $33k. That
>>> should get them started.
>>> -sw
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Dave Karpf <davekarpf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Agreed that that's what makes it importantly different. This wasn't the
>>> Comm department responding to reporters, it was an active fundraising ask.
>>>
>>> I'm withholding judgment for the moment, but sincerely hope the Avaaz
>>> folks will be more open with the tech experts on this list. At the moment,
>>> this looks a LOT like a crass fundraising ploy. If so, I personally would
>>> lose a lot of respect for the org.
>>>
>>> DK
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 4, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Okhin <okhin at okhin.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Fri, 4 May 2012 15:48:35 -0400
>>> > Sahar Massachi <Sahar at brandeis.edu> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I'm a bit concerned about all the muttering about Avaaz's
>>> sensationalism.
>>> >>
>>> >> Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding something, but the following
>>> >> scenario seems pretty plausible to me:
>>> >>
>>> >> The Avaaz site comes under some sort of attack. The tech team at Avaaz
>>> >> gives a quick "idiots guide" to what's going on to their
>>> communications
>>> >> team, and then goes back to trying to deal with the problem. The
>>> >> communications team has a partially confused understanding of exactly
>>> >> what's going on, but tries to deal with the situation as best they
>>> can.
>>> >> When technically minded journalists want to talk to Avaaz, the
>>> >> communications staff doesn't want to bother their still-hard-at-work
>>> tech
>>> >> team, so they give unsatisfying, vague, and unhelpful replies to these
>>> >> journalists".
>>> >>
>>> >> Am I missing something?
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Yeah, they started a funding campaign to fight the attack and, while
>>> > the attack has stopped (according to their claim), it's still open and
>>> > their goal is 35k$ (and they're at 33k$)for what?
>>> > https://secure.avaaz.org/en/massive_attack_on_avaaz_a/?fp
>>> >
>>> > Next time I've got a spam bot raiding my corporate network, I'll ask
>>> this amount of money to my boss. Just to see he's face.
>>> >
>>> > Okhin
>>> >
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