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[liberationtech] Fwd: Avaaz

Jacob Appelbaum jacob at
Sun May 6 03:44:42 PDT 2012

Hi all,

( This is not just for Jillian, I'm just using her mail as a jumping in
point... )

On 05/06/2012 12:03 PM, Jillian C. York wrote:
> Hi Brant,
> You may not want to share it list-wide, but there is certainly interest in
> disclosing to trusted members of the security community.  That said, I'm
> also not a security expert, so I'm hoping that perhaps Hal Roberts or Jake
> Appelbaum might jump in and say something here.

Anyone talented can probably perform a denial of service attack for most
of the sites around without creating any kind of abnormal logging events.

I'd just like to say that this is the saddest bikeshed I've seen on
liberationtech yet. I wish that people on this list who want the "proof"
from Avaaz would make these kinds of demands of the makers of
proprietary software that claims to be unbreakable and perfectly secure,
of people who claim that cyberwar/cyberterrorism is a really serious
problem, and so on. Some do make these claims all around but frankly,
it's so rare as to be the exception and not the rule.

Skepticism is great and I'm all for it - but I think this thread is
beyond being skeptical and has devolved right into cynical noise. I
think it's aggressive condescending and wrong that a member of the
community is treated so poorly.

I'd be happy to vet any evidence that Avaaz has as a "neutral" or
"whatever" third party.

All the best,

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