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[liberationtech] Commercialization makes your online rights irrelevant, more thoughts from my talk with @ioerror at #rp12

Pavol Luptak wilder at
Mon May 21 15:34:00 PDT 2012

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:18:01AM +0200, Dmytri Kleiner wrote:
> Nothing I have read from anthropology nor psychology bears this out,
> both portray us as a deeply social species and suggest that our
> primary motivations are social ones, not individual utility
> maximization. We don't temporary detour to co-operation,
> co-operation is our natural state, and the reason for of our success
> as a species. It's quite the opposite, those that "go there own way"
> are either on a temporary detour, or simply outliers. There are 7
> billion of us, and by large we work together, share and compromise
> with each other, and our survival depends on this.

Don't forget that almost every individual profit can be reached thanks to
social interactions and socialization (and this is almost inevitable).
And I am not talking about financial profit only. People do a lot of things 
(helping to other people) just because of good feelings and secondary this is 
also their individual profit.

> >Democracy does not respect freedom (the secret ballot has no
> >shame) and
> >becomes tyranny of the majority -- the most robust kind of tyranny.
> So how do you propose we make collective decisions? Might makes right?

demand + market.

If there is a demand, someone will always do it. Including building highways,
streets and all other services that are provided by the state at this moment.

[wilder at] [] [talker: 5678]
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