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[liberationtech] issilentcircleopensourceyet.com

Nadim Kobeissi nadim at nadim.cc
Tue Nov 6 10:37:58 PST 2012


Hi Ali,
There is no "agenda," and there needn't be one if you are to critique
security software. No need to be so aggressive.
My qualms against Silent Circle are detailed here: http://log.nadim.cc/?p=89


NK


On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Ali-Reza Anghaie <ali at packetknife.com>wrote:

> Seriously - what's your agenda?
>
> Where are the domains for the other tens of providers who charge arms and
> legs based on closed protocols even?
>
> What's the nit with Silent Circle specifically? Because they're
> accessible? Because it's easier to use? Because the founders have good
> track records of standing up to Government too?
>
> Being absolutist about everything isn't helping anyone who ~needs~ it -
> it's a privilege of the "haves" that we can have these conversations over
> and over again.
>
> Shouldn't we have taken the "fight" to carriers, Apple iOS T&Cs, etc.
> harder and longer ago? And why do we keep expecting private entities to
> fight our Government battles for us? It's a losing proposition and
> increases the costs-per-individual to untenable levels when we mix
> absolutely all their enterprise with civil liberty issues.
>
> There has got to be a better way than this ridiculous trolling and
> bickering. Someone? Anyone?
>
> Again, seriously, what's the agenda against Silent Circle specifically?
>
> -Ali
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim at nadim.cc> wrote:
>
>> http://issilentcircleopensourceyet.com/
>>
>> NK
>>
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