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[liberationtech] issilentcircleopensourceyet.com

Ali-Reza Anghaie ali at packetknife.com
Tue Nov 6 10:51:33 PST 2012


Nobody would dispute that - that's not quite the same thing as FOSS default
positions or some of the other criticisms.

For example, I'd contend a paid Veracode audit would in all likelihood be
better than any typical FOSS audit. Had they done that (heck, they might
have but I doubt it) and still announced the intent of opening the codebase
- I wager that would not have stopped the criticism.

It appears to be a deep-seeded cultural divide more than any of the other
factors combined.

-Al



On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Yosem Companys <companys at stanford.edu>wrote:

> Security audits are always important, especially when people's lives are
> at risk.
>
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim at nadim.cc> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ali,
>> There is no "agenda," and there needn't be one if you are to critique
>> security software. No need to be so aggressive.
>> My qualms against Silent Circle are detailed here:
>> http://log.nadim.cc/?p=89
>>
>>
>> NK
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Ali-Reza Anghaie <ali at packetknife.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Seriously - what's your agenda?
>>>
>>> Where are the domains for the other tens of providers who charge arms
>>> and legs based on closed protocols even?
>>>
>>> What's the nit with Silent Circle specifically? Because they're
>>> accessible? Because it's easier to use? Because the founders have good
>>> track records of standing up to Government too?
>>>
>>> Being absolutist about everything isn't helping anyone who ~needs~ it -
>>> it's a privilege of the "haves" that we can have these conversations over
>>> and over again.
>>>
>>> Shouldn't we have taken the "fight" to carriers, Apple iOS T&Cs, etc.
>>> harder and longer ago? And why do we keep expecting private entities to
>>> fight our Government battles for us? It's a losing proposition and
>>> increases the costs-per-individual to untenable levels when we mix
>>> absolutely all their enterprise with civil liberty issues.
>>>
>>> There has got to be a better way than this ridiculous trolling and
>>> bickering. Someone? Anyone?
>>>
>>> Again, seriously, what's the agenda against Silent Circle specifically?
>>>
>>> -Ali
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim at nadim.cc> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://issilentcircleopensourceyet.com/
>>>>
>>>> NK
>>>>
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