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[liberationtech] issilentcircleopensourceyet.com

Greg Norcie greg at norcie.com
Tue Nov 6 11:04:36 PST 2012


Nadim

I understand your position, but actions like this website won't help
your cause.

Can you understand how actions like setting up this web site might be
viewed as a way to call attention to oneself, rather than champion the
(respectable) ideals of the open source movement?
--
Greg Norcie (greg at norcie.com)
GPG key: 0x1B873635

On 11/6/12 1:53 PM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
> Ali,
> The issue is trust. Security software verifiability should not have to
> depend on Silent Circle (or who they hire to audit, for example Veracode.)
> 
> 
> NK
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Ali-Reza Anghaie <ali at packetknife.com
> <mailto:ali at packetknife.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Nobody would dispute that - that's not quite the same thing as FOSS
>     default positions or some of the other criticisms.
> 
>     For example, I'd contend a paid Veracode audit would in all
>     likelihood be better than any typical FOSS audit. Had they done that
>     (heck, they might have but I doubt it) and still announced the
>     intent of opening the codebase - I wager that would not have stopped
>     the criticism.
> 
>     It appears to be a deep-seeded cultural divide more than any of the
>     other factors combined.
> 
>     -Al
> 
> 
> 
>     On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Yosem Companys
>     <companys at stanford.edu <mailto:companys at stanford.edu>> wrote:
> 
>         Security audits are always important, especially when people's
>         lives are at risk.
> 
>         On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim at nadim.cc
>         <mailto:nadim at nadim.cc>> wrote:
> 
>             Hi Ali,
>             There is no "agenda," and there needn't be one if you are to
>             critique security software. No need to be so aggressive.
>             My qualms against Silent Circle are detailed
>             here: http://log.nadim.cc/?p=89
> 
> 
>             NK
> 
> 
> 
>             On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Ali-Reza Anghaie
>             <ali at packetknife.com <mailto:ali at packetknife.com>> wrote:
> 
>                 Seriously - what's your agenda?
> 
>                 Where are the domains for the other tens of providers
>                 who charge arms and legs based on closed protocols even?
> 
>                 What's the nit with Silent Circle specifically? Because
>                 they're accessible? Because it's easier to use? Because
>                 the founders have good track records of standing up to
>                 Government too?
> 
>                 Being absolutist about everything isn't helping anyone
>                 who ~needs~ it - it's a privilege of the "haves" that we
>                 can have these conversations over and over again.
> 
>                 Shouldn't we have taken the "fight" to carriers, Apple
>                 iOS T&Cs, etc. harder and longer ago? And why do we keep
>                 expecting private entities to fight our Government
>                 battles for us? It's a losing proposition and increases
>                 the costs-per-individual to untenable levels when we mix
>                 absolutely all their enterprise with civil liberty issues.
> 
>                 There has got to be a better way than this ridiculous
>                 trolling and bickering. Someone? Anyone?
> 
>                 Again, seriously, what's the agenda against Silent
>                 Circle specifically?
> 
>                 -Ali
> 
> 
> 
>                 On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Nadim Kobeissi
>                 <nadim at nadim.cc <mailto:nadim at nadim.cc>> wrote:
> 
>                     http://issilentcircleopensourceyet.com/
> 
>                     NK
> 
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