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[liberationtech] issilentcircleopensourceyet.com

Greg Norcie greg at norcie.com
Tue Nov 6 11:11:47 PST 2012


Nadim,

You are correct - the website (nor the whois) mention you. But your post
on this mailing list does.

You seem like a very intelligent guy - if you had intended this to be an
anonymous critique, I doubt you'd have used your real name to post the
link :)
--
Greg Norcie (greg at norcie.com)
GPG key: 0x1B873635

On 11/6/12 2:06 PM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
> Greg,
> The website does not mention me at all, it's purely meant as a complaint
> against Silent Circle's policy. I've already written a lengthy post
> regarding Silent Circle (http://log.nadim.cc/?p=89) and yet have
> received no reply.
> 
> 
> NK
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Greg Norcie <greg at norcie.com
> <mailto:greg at norcie.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Nadim
> 
>     I understand your position, but actions like this website won't help
>     your cause.
> 
>     Can you understand how actions like setting up this web site might be
>     viewed as a way to call attention to oneself, rather than champion the
>     (respectable) ideals of the open source movement?
>     --
>     Greg Norcie (greg at norcie.com <mailto:greg at norcie.com>)
>     GPG key: 0x1B873635
> 
>     On 11/6/12 1:53 PM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
>     > Ali,
>     > The issue is trust. Security software verifiability should not have to
>     > depend on Silent Circle (or who they hire to audit, for example
>     Veracode.)
>     >
>     >
>     > NK
>     >
>     >
>     > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Ali-Reza Anghaie
>     <ali at packetknife.com <mailto:ali at packetknife.com>
>     > <mailto:ali at packetknife.com <mailto:ali at packetknife.com>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >     Nobody would dispute that - that's not quite the same thing as
>     FOSS
>     >     default positions or some of the other criticisms.
>     >
>     >     For example, I'd contend a paid Veracode audit would in all
>     >     likelihood be better than any typical FOSS audit. Had they
>     done that
>     >     (heck, they might have but I doubt it) and still announced the
>     >     intent of opening the codebase - I wager that would not have
>     stopped
>     >     the criticism.
>     >
>     >     It appears to be a deep-seeded cultural divide more than any
>     of the
>     >     other factors combined.
>     >
>     >     -Al
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >     On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Yosem Companys
>     >     <companys at stanford.edu <mailto:companys at stanford.edu>
>     <mailto:companys at stanford.edu <mailto:companys at stanford.edu>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >         Security audits are always important, especially when people's
>     >         lives are at risk.
>     >
>     >         On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Nadim Kobeissi
>     <nadim at nadim.cc
>     >         <mailto:nadim at nadim.cc <mailto:nadim at nadim.cc>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >             Hi Ali,
>     >             There is no "agenda," and there needn't be one if you
>     are to
>     >             critique security software. No need to be so aggressive.
>     >             My qualms against Silent Circle are detailed
>     >             here: http://log.nadim.cc/?p=89
>     >
>     >
>     >             NK
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >             On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Ali-Reza Anghaie
>     >             <ali at packetknife.com <mailto:ali at packetknife.com>
>     <mailto:ali at packetknife.com <mailto:ali at packetknife.com>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >                 Seriously - what's your agenda?
>     >
>     >                 Where are the domains for the other tens of providers
>     >                 who charge arms and legs based on closed protocols
>     even?
>     >
>     >                 What's the nit with Silent Circle specifically?
>     Because
>     >                 they're accessible? Because it's easier to use?
>     Because
>     >                 the founders have good track records of standing up to
>     >                 Government too?
>     >
>     >                 Being absolutist about everything isn't helping anyone
>     >                 who ~needs~ it - it's a privilege of the "haves"
>     that we
>     >                 can have these conversations over and over again.
>     >
>     >                 Shouldn't we have taken the "fight" to carriers, Apple
>     >                 iOS T&Cs, etc. harder and longer ago? And why do
>     we keep
>     >                 expecting private entities to fight our Government
>     >                 battles for us? It's a losing proposition and
>     increases
>     >                 the costs-per-individual to untenable levels when
>     we mix
>     >                 absolutely all their enterprise with civil liberty
>     issues.
>     >
>     >                 There has got to be a better way than this ridiculous
>     >                 trolling and bickering. Someone? Anyone?
>     >
>     >                 Again, seriously, what's the agenda against Silent
>     >                 Circle specifically?
>     >
>     >                 -Ali
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >                 On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Nadim Kobeissi
>     >                 <nadim at nadim.cc <mailto:nadim at nadim.cc
>     <mailto:nadim at nadim.cc>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >                     http://issilentcircleopensourceyet.com/
>     >
>     >                     NK
>     >
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