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Maxim Kammerer mk at
Mon Nov 12 13:52:43 PST 2012

On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:53 AM, Mike Perry <mikeperry at> wrote:
> In various venues, you keep claiming that the Tor Project is somehow
> blinded by its own propaganda, as if by some form of conspiracy or
> cultural phenomena.

Just one venue (tor-talk), which is why I am reluctant to continue
this discussion here, since subscribers to this list are often less
technical-minded, and less immune to the expected flamewars. In any
case, I am not claiming anything you imply about the Tor Project, I
just dislike the usual American mindset of wishful thinking and
ignoring the facts. Pretending that a project like this has no
conflicts of interest is an obvious example of such wishful thinking,
which is the reason I replied to Roger.

> After all, the Tor Project could also employ some sock puppets to follow
> you around various forums asking why you don't feature any testimonials
> from child pornographers on your own Liberate Linux's page.

I don't actually have any objection to that. Technical points should
be technical, and who makes them is less important. I have encountered
a review including some coverage of Liberté Linux on a site that is
apparently some kind of venue for supporters of legitimizing
pedophilia, but didn't include it on the site, because it seemed like
partial translation of one of the everything-and-a-kitchen-sink howtos
that are floating around on Pastebin. Likewise, I don't need to find
excuses to not to add a desirable feature because it might be
misinterpreted by whoever brings politics into the project.

Maxim Kammerer
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