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[liberationtech] Cryptography super-group creates unbreakable encryption

Ali-Reza Anghaie ali at packetknife.com
Thu Feb 7 07:41:39 PST 2013


I'm not sure it's been all for naught, even the article Christian is quoted
in refers to Red Phone and TextSecure, .. is it a link-list of FOSS tools
and teams? No but, really, that doesn't actually get people to go ~use~
something.

I'm also not sure unbreakable is core to SC's marketing at all - I think
that's the type of thing some tech. journalists go with. SC's own site
talks about all sorts of things they ~can't~ do - they're not telling
people they are the best line of defense even (they talk about lifestyle
OPSEC too for example).

Here is the way I look at it - the easiest to use introduces more and more
people to the whole roll of things. It DRIVES people to search and write
about what else is out there once they "know" they don't want to be without
the tools anymore. SC is a win for everyone in this case.

I know, for a fact, SC has introduced a lot more people to FOSS solutions
that otherwise wouldn't have ever considered it after dalliances in GnuPG
years ago. Once bad privacy user experience - always bad privacy user
experience sort of thing.

Cheers, -Ali



On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim at nadim.cc> wrote:

> Small follow-up:
> Maybe it's true I look like my goal here is just to foam at the mouth at
> Silent Circle. Maybe it looks like I'm just here to annoy Chris, and I'm
> truly sorry. These are not my goals, even if my method seems forced.
>
> I've tried writing multiple blog posts about Silent Circle, contacting
> Silent Circle, asking journalists to *please* mention the importance of
> free, open source in cryptography, and so on. All of this has failed. It
> has simply become clear to me that Silent Circle enjoys a double standard
> because of the reputation of those behind it.
>
> Silent Circle may be developed by Gods, but this is just quite plainly
> unfair. If someone repeatedly claims, towards activists, to have developed
> "unbreakable encryption", markets it closed-source for money, and receives
> nothing but nods of recognition and applause from the press and even from
> *security experts* (?!) then something is seriously wrong! No one should
> be allowed to commit these wrongs, not even Silent Circle.
>
> I feel like I'm fighting for our own sanity here. Look at what you're
> allowing to happen!
>
>
> NK
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim at nadim.cc> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Christopher Soghoian <chris at soghoian.net>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It is clear that you seem to have developed a foaming-in-the-mouth,
>>> irrational hate of Silent Circle. As such, anyone who fails to denounce
>>> Phil Zimmermann as the great Satan is, in your eyes, some kind of corrupt
>>> shill.
>>>
>>
>> Chris,
>> You have repeatedly stood up asking VoIP software to be more transparent
>> about their encryption. You have repeatedly stood up when the media
>> overblew coverage into hype.
>>
>> However, Silent Circle remains *the only case* where you remain
>> mentioned regularly in articles on the company, where you make a point to
>> completely ignore that they are posting everywhere on their social media
>> that they are developing "unbreakable encryption", and marketing it,
>> closed-source, towardsactivists. When I confront you about this, you
>> publicly accuse me of "soliciting a hit piece" (!!) against Silent Circle.
>>
>> That is what I have a problem with: A huge, clear, obvious double
>> standard strictly made available for Silent Circle.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I proudly stand by every single statement quoted in that Verge story.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim at nadim.cc> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Chris Soghoian gives Silent Circle's unbreakable encryption an entire
>>>> article's worth of lip service here, it must be really unbreakable:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/6/3950664/phil-zimmermann-wants-to-save-you-from-your-phone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NK
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Brian Conley <brianc at smallworldnews.tv
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I heard they have a super secret crypto clubhouse in the belly of an
>>>>> extinct volcano.
>>>>>
>>>>> Other rumors suggest they built their lab in the liberated tunnels
>>>>> beneath bin ladens secret lair in Pakistan...
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2013, at 19:42, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim at nadim.cc> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Actual headline.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/147714-cryptography-super-group-creates-unbreakable-encryption-designed-for-mass-market
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> NK
>>>>>
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