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[liberationtech] Cryptography super-group creates unbreakable encryption

Julien Rabier taziden at flexiden.org
Thu Feb 7 07:45:53 PST 2013


Hello all,

I'm no sec expert but to me, it's so obvious that Nadim is right on this.
Perhaps the form is not perfect, but if he's the only one fighting for our
own sanity here, as he says, that's no surprise.

We should all be asking Silent Circle to commit to their statement and show
us the source code of their so-called unbreakable encryption tools.

Again, I'm no sec expert and I won't be the guy who will do the hard task of
auditing and reviewing this code. But as a user, as a citizen and perhaps an
activist, I want the source code of such tools to be reviewed widely and
publicly before using and promoting it. 

My 2 euro cents,
Julien

Le 07 févr. - 10:31, Nadim Kobeissi a écrit :
> Small follow-up:
> Maybe it's true I look like my goal here is just to foam at the mouth at
> Silent Circle. Maybe it looks like I'm just here to annoy Chris, and I'm
> truly sorry. These are not my goals, even if my method seems forced.
> 
> I've tried writing multiple blog posts about Silent Circle, contacting
> Silent Circle, asking journalists to *please* mention the importance of
> free, open source in cryptography, and so on. All of this has failed. It
> has simply become clear to me that Silent Circle enjoys a double standard
> because of the reputation of those behind it.
> 
> Silent Circle may be developed by Gods, but this is just quite plainly
> unfair. If someone repeatedly claims, towards activists, to have developed
> "unbreakable encryption", markets it closed-source for money, and receives
> nothing but nods of recognition and applause from the press and even
> from *security
> experts* (?!) then something is seriously wrong! No one should be allowed
> to commit these wrongs, not even Silent Circle.
> 
> I feel like I'm fighting for our own sanity here. Look at what you're
> allowing to happen!
> 
> 
> NK
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim at nadim.cc> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Christopher Soghoian <chris at soghoian.net>wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> It is clear that you seem to have developed a foaming-in-the-mouth,
> >> irrational hate of Silent Circle. As such, anyone who fails to denounce
> >> Phil Zimmermann as the great Satan is, in your eyes, some kind of corrupt
> >> shill.
> >>
> >
> > Chris,
> > You have repeatedly stood up asking VoIP software to be more transparent
> > about their encryption. You have repeatedly stood up when the media
> > overblew coverage into hype.
> >
> > However, Silent Circle remains *the only case* where you remain mentioned
> > regularly in articles on the company, where you make a point to completely
> > ignore that they are posting everywhere on their social media that they are
> > developing "unbreakable encryption", and marketing it, closed-source,
> > towardsactivists. When I confront you about this, you publicly accuse me of
> > "soliciting a hit piece" (!!) against Silent Circle.
> >
> > That is what I have a problem with: A huge, clear, obvious double standard
> > strictly made available for Silent Circle.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I proudly stand by every single statement quoted in that Verge story.
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim at nadim.cc> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Chris Soghoian gives Silent Circle's unbreakable encryption an entire
> >>> article's worth of lip service here, it must be really unbreakable:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/6/3950664/phil-zimmermann-wants-to-save-you-from-your-phone
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> NK
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Brian Conley <brianc at smallworldnews.tv>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I heard they have a super secret crypto clubhouse in the belly of an
> >>>> extinct volcano.
> >>>>
> >>>> Other rumors suggest they built their lab in the liberated tunnels
> >>>> beneath bin ladens secret lair in Pakistan...
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>
> >>>> On Feb 6, 2013, at 19:42, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim at nadim.cc> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Actual headline.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/147714-cryptography-super-group-creates-unbreakable-encryption-designed-for-mass-market
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> NK
> >>>>
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